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gwEm

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2011, 10:37:43 AM »
what is true is that this raid has got a headline.

if they'd have raided some small luthiers it wouldn't have made news.
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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2011, 09:14:35 AM »
another interview with henry with more actual details and a lot more conspiracy theories and  scaremongering
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E-tXQ6kQoU&feature=channel_video_title

i do feel for gibson at this point, but i am disturbed by a ceo who has not got a clue how much money his company can make - not even a vague prediction!

i also feel he should have corrected the interviewer when we referred to wood as a renewable resource.  the term does not really apply to ebony and rosewood in any practical sense, at least not yet

some talk of the real issue would be nice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_logging_in_Madagascar

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2011, 11:30:43 AM »
So did I get him right in saying that he thinks that Fender is behind raid (as in your main competitors are Obama supporters)??
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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2011, 12:12:03 PM »
afaik fender are not really using that much wood from this part of the world - i thought they were still using south american rosewoods for most stuff

the other big american guitar builders would more likely be PRS (rosewood necks and fretboards) or one of the acoustic companies (back and sides and fretboards)

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2011, 12:40:13 PM »
It's Martin that's usually been brought up by all the yank rightest morons as being left alone because Chris Martin is a Democrat donor. That Henry buffoon has cited them many a time, too.

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2011, 08:18:44 PM »
I see - it probably is Martin - of course, Gibson wouldn't see Fender as a competitor - rather a bunch of new fangled radio repair men upstarts... :)
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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2011, 08:19:09 AM »
...aaand now they've started some sort of petition to have the charges dropped.

Urgh..

To me, this sounds like Tom Cruise starting a petition to convince the press the he is DEFINITELY NOT GAY.

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2011, 09:11:52 AM »
a petition?
for who to sign? loyal gibson fans?

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2011, 09:43:12 AM »
Apparently, yeah. To be honest, I didn't read the whole newsletter but I'm at work, so I didn't want to throw up all over the place.

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2011, 12:07:39 PM »
hahahah! what a terrible idea!
someone start a facebook campaign to counter it!

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2011, 12:11:34 PM »
I think I found it...

Dear President Barack Obama,
Gibson Guitar is currently under investigation by the U.S. Justice Department regarding imported wood used to manufacture instruments. Gibson has been raided twice by armed government agents, even though the wood has been legally obtained and the company has complied with all foreign laws.

Please show your support for Gibson and consumers by doing the following:

• The U.S. government will stop the current investigation and negotiate a fair and conclusive settlement. The government will commit to a timeline for this to happen and return materials that were seized. The government will agree that 90 days notice will be given prior to any hostile actions (seizures, raids, etc.) and the provision of dialog and independent third party adjudication prior to action.

• The Lacey Act will be amended to provide clear guidance on what unequivocally will satisfy the need to comply with the “due care” and other provisions. This needs to be defined in a realistic and reasonably actionable form. A code of conduct will be provided for when federal agencies do investigations. Recourse will be provided to companies or individuals being investigated who feel the investigating agency is abusing its power, rather than truly seeking justice. There will be due process where an independent third party can adjudicate grievances and insure there are consequences for abuse.

• Consumers will not be prosecuted for owning or transporting instruments for their own use (i.e. not attempting to make a profit on their sale).

Sincerely,
[Your name]

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2011, 01:58:05 PM »
At least they don't pull the "YOU'RE PERSECUTING US BECAUSE OUR BOSS VOTES CONSERVATIVE WAAAAAAAAAAAAH"-card...

That much.

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2011, 08:16:28 PM »
Don't worry, petitions never really do anything and hold approximately zero legal weight.  :lol:

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2011, 04:06:08 PM »
So Dear Henry expects us consumers to interfere in an ongoing investigation? As if a trial were subject to citizen petitions or a popular vote?

He also has gone on every crank radio show, trying to paint himself as a sort of folk hero, unfairly persecuted by Big Brother because of some piddling political donations.

I conclude that Homie is even more delusional than I had previously thought. And considering that Henry is the guy who previously brought us the Firebird X, that says something.

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Re: Gibson factories have been raided today!
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2011, 12:10:15 AM »
So Dear Henry expects us consumers to interfere in an ongoing investigation? As if a trial were subject to citizen petitions or a popular vote?

He also has gone on every crank radio show, trying to paint himself as a sort of folk hero, unfairly persecuted by Big Brother because of some piddling political donations.

I conclude that Homie is even more delusional than I had previously thought. And considering that Henry is the guy who previously brought us the Firebird X, that says something.
Americans basically worship corporations and think they deserve the same rights as individuals, so I wouldn't say he's delusional, I'd say he's very aware of American culture.

I say this as an American.