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BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« on: September 02, 2011, 05:15:25 PM »
well not quite an authentic BKP product - but have a look at this




cheaper than the usual repro's!

nope, its not one of mine - i have been focusing more on authentic fender clay dots recently.

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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2011, 05:30:53 PM »
Added bonus - that pick wont slip from your hands!
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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2011, 05:32:52 PM »
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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2011, 07:27:02 PM »
Very smart!  :)
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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2011, 09:40:42 PM »
well not quite an authentic BKP product - but have a look at this

cheaper than the usual repro's!

nope, its not one of mine - i have been focusing more on authentic fender clay dots recently.

They do look a lot like the proper Gibson side dots - nice attention to detail!

And the reproduction of Fender clay dots is a fascinating process too!
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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2011, 05:14:13 PM »
And the reproduction of Fender clay dots is a fascinating process too!
Does it in involve urine? :)

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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2011, 10:01:23 AM »
And the reproduction of Fender clay dots is a fascinating process too!
Does it in involve urine? :)


why would it?

the fender clay dots i have been working on start out life like this


look like this when freshly installed


and the big bonus with this material is that it will darken with use - a wipe with some rosewood oils gives them an instant vintage look and wont wipe off again when cleaning the board - so they act like the original material too, which all end up looking different

there is some evidence for harvite being one of the original materials used by fender, so its about as authentic as it gets

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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2011, 12:40:50 PM »
So you can make Fender Red & Blue dots too!  I thought he used some old floor tiles for the original dots?
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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2011, 01:03:31 PM »
Added bonus - that pick wont slip from your hands!

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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2011, 01:09:12 PM »
And the reproduction of Fender clay dots is a fascinating process too!
Does it in involve urine? :)


why would it?
It was a JOKE reference to how some ppl age guitar parts ...

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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2011, 01:25:06 PM »
And the reproduction of Fender clay dots is a fascinating process too!
Does it in involve urine? :)


why would it?
It was a JOKE reference to how some ppl age guitar parts ...

:lol:

There's lots of folks who ain't gonna want your repro clay dots now Wez... now that you've given all your secrets away... if you ain't peed on them, they obviously ain't gonna be authentic enough...
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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2011, 01:44:14 PM »
And the reproduction of Fender clay dots is a fascinating process too!
Does it in involve urine? :)


why would it?
It was a JOKE reference to how some ppl age guitar parts ...

:lol:

There's lots of folks who ain't gonna want your repro clay dots now Wez... now that you've given all your secrets away... if you ain't peed on them, they obviously ain't gonna be authentic enough...

I'd better say, just in case Wez is taking that to heart, I'm quite happy for my Strat neck not to be peed on!  :wink:
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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2011, 01:47:12 PM »
well i have joked about using wee to age copper covered guitars before - but luckily a weak vinegar solution works just as well for that!  I have heard of ageing chrome with urine - but i dont fancy that

there are lots of stories about the original fender clay dots, and a couple of different looks which suggests they may have used different things at different times before finally switching to pearl

its pretty much accepted that they used some kind of filler at some point, supported by factory workers from the time talking about a toothpaste like filler and  known inconsistencies in the dots.  I think they called it ivorine or something like that, which happens to be a simialr constitution to the resin used to make these poker chips

then i found this quote which adds some weight to it
"Fred Stuart, John Suhr and John English did a lot of research on this back in the early Custom Shop days. The best they could find out was that it was a material called "Harvite", that was a fine clay impregnated phenolic resin. It also used to be used in old poker chips and hotel key fobs."


i did try the callaham dots - which are similar, but a pale grey colour and they dont really change colour with the application of rosewood oils, so i guess they use a more plasticy modern resin.  

with the originals you often see darker dots on the darker fretboards which suggests that they change colour from a combination of rosewood oils and playing wear - - which these harvite dotsseem to do too!

so yeah, authentic fender blue and red dots are now available ;)
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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2011, 08:07:06 AM »
I'd better say, just in case Wez is taking that to heart, I'm quite happy for my Strat neck not to be peed on!  :wink:

:lol: Well, I did my best to get you the "full" treament!

Btw - Wez - that pic of the fendery rosewood board, is that Philly's? Looks fabulous, absolutely gorgeous.
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Re: BKP vintage correct gibson side dots
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2011, 09:28:19 AM »
Btw - Wez - that pic of the fendery rosewood board, is that Philly's? Looks fabulous, absolutely gorgeous.

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