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Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« on: October 04, 2011, 10:21:28 AM »
It doesn't surprise me that two basic versions of a story would be written when the crux of the story is a verdict that hasn't yet been delivered but this is insane.

It is of course a very sad story but the imagined detail in this, well....Bravo!

http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com/2011/10/mailonline-makes-up-events-quotes-from.html
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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2011, 10:29:10 AM »
The Mail is pure filth - I despise that rag :( But this goes beyond what I would have imagined
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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2011, 10:33:56 AM »
Indeed. I can imagine one of their journos sitting in a bar in Perugia typing that nonsense into their laptop whilst drinking a cold one. This is nearly on a par with phone hacking IMO.
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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2011, 11:37:24 AM »
I love the Daily Mail because it tells me if what I'm thinking is right or wrong... It can get confusing with all the liberalism in the other media... I can sometimes become confused by "arguments" but not after I read the Mail!

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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2011, 11:54:27 AM »
The daily fail failing so hard its become Win.

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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2011, 01:41:13 PM »
oh wow

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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2011, 09:43:37 PM »
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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2011, 10:43:00 PM »
They just wrote two articles so they could be uploaded as soon as the verdict came through - and then a mistranslation by a Italian journo led them to put the wrong one up.

As for the reaction quotes, if a source is unnamed and referred to as an "insider" or "close to the family" or whatever in a tabloid or local paper, most of the time it's because they don't exist.

Still, always nice to see the press make a fool of themselves.

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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2011, 11:16:33 PM »
Although argumentum ad populum is a fallacious argument, argumentum non dailymailium is perfectly valid in any english speaking chamber of debate.
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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2011, 11:30:53 PM »
I'm sure the Daily Heil will thoroughly investigate how this mix-up happened, and then find a way to pin the blame on some combination of gypsies, cancer or falling house prices. Probably illustrated with a picture of Pippa Middleton.

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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2011, 12:03:11 AM »
Although it's a bit shocking when something like this emerges, presumably it's pretty common for papers to have two versions of a story ready-written so it's ready to be published quickly. 

They would've changed the specific details (I hope!), but most of what's written there would almost certainly be true had the verdict gone the other way.

In a similar way, I imagine all the papers have pre-prepared obituaries for lots of elderly celebrities - including the Queen.
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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2011, 06:43:04 AM »
I don't think that anyone is surprised that a couple of versions of a story may exist - it's just the prose that was used!  And every detail a lie!!!

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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2011, 06:54:05 AM »
I don't think that anyone is surprised that a couple of versions of a story may exist - it's just the prose that was used!  And every detail a lie!!!

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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2011, 09:16:55 AM »
I'm pretty much with nfe on this.

It's amusing to see them f@ck-up but using the word "lie" about it is a bit misleading.

Like Philly says, the Queen's obituary (and I suspect a whole bunch of related editorial material, public interest stuff, etc, etc) is already written in draft form. Is that material all lies? Nope, it's the writers being ready to complete their copy on time when it's needed.

Would it be lies if this material was accidentally posted on a website or included in tomorrow's newspaper (and the old girl was still eating her boiled egg and soldiers that morning)? Probably not, or at least not in my book. It would be somewhat tasteless maybe, but I'd still be amused someone had f@cked-up that badly.

Would it be lies if someone deliberately published this stuff knowing what they were doing? I'd probably call it lies then - but on the other hand I take everything I read with a pinch of salt anyway :lol:. Most of the "facts" we read are a bunch of speculation and opinion from people with no better judgement than we have ourselves.

No, I'm convinced this Daily Mail thing was a f@ck-up, nothing else. A writer would have had at least two versions. Any writer in this arena will fail miserably (miss out on getting published) if he or she waits for the result before composing anything. When the result came in, the writer would have taken the existing draft that best fitted and then completed the piece. Looks to me like this writer did all that and then posted the wrong bluddy one :lol: - of course it's wrong and apparently contains deliberate untruths... he didn't read or review this draft at all. He was never going to use it, he probably wasn't intending to open the document and ever read it again... he spent all of his time working on the other draft!

How long was this "article" actually posted for? It sounds to me like it was taken down pretty damn quick.

Storm in a teacup... Funny though. :D
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Re: Mail online making up stories - absolute gold
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2011, 09:47:43 AM »
Although it's a bit shocking when something like this emerges, presumably it's pretty common for papers to have two versions of a story ready-written so it's ready to be published quickly. 

They would've changed the specific details (I hope!), but most of what's written there would almost certainly be true had the verdict gone the other way.

In a similar way, I imagine all the papers have pre-prepared obituaries for lots of elderly celebrities - including the Queen.

I bet theres a small, secret clade of editors continually updating 'rememberance' videos and news segments for old or high risk celebrities so they can run with them as fast as possible. Especially the queen, shes top of the list.

Clearly this is because they had two articles prepared. I dont begrudge the body of multiple possible outcome articles existing, where there are known, definite possible outcomes, with details to be added as they're learned, but the incompetence of releasing the wrong one, and the blatency of the fabrications of the little personal drama comments are pathetic.

I've often said that all modern news publications and broadcasts should come with a disclaimer at the start that reads "The following is a dramatisation based on actual events", and the daily fail just released the perfect illustration of that. By removing the 'actual events' they revealed just how much dramatisiation they add. I have no doubt that while other publications are more erudite, they're little better.