The best pick up for hardcore punk / metal

[itsonlyausername]

your entilted to any opinions of gear you have but I have a NB set and I'll tell you its anything but "glammy"

I also  have an old ,battery power only  fuzz factory like he has and I wouldnt say it sounds anything like  "glammy" either .
 

Best way to choose a pick up is to play the one you are repalcing and ask yourself "what do i want to change in the tone ?" tighter or looser bass, low mid focus or high, smooth top or cutting bite ? then you'll get more good advice on what might work

And I would add if your are upgrading your amp to the JCM I would do that 1st. Your tone ,and what your tone to be, from  the little practise amp to standing in front or a roaring head is going to be completly different .

well what i want from the bridge is hard to describe i need a higher output definatly because palm mutimg and harmonics didnt pick up so well and i was told a higher output would solve that so the nailbomb/holydiver and painkiller will solve that surely

My bridge is broken but i will look to change my amp but that is a challenge in a half trying to find the right one. Marshall jcm does appeal to me just finding one used on the market thats the problem

i may go the 50 DSL used in punk and metal so it sounds like something i want but the jcm 800 had 2 output for high and low gain which i could put a line selecter to thats what really sold it but il try and dsl 50. I also looked at the vintage modern which i also like but i havent tried it id need to know its volume controls better as it is confusing and i dont want to gig with a plexi amp and make my audiance deaf but i would like some gain.

Out of curiosity give me some advice on what suits the dsl 50 and vintage modern

the zvex fuzz factory isnt glammy i didnt say it was i hope anyway it's pne of those things matt bellamy used alot i got got a similar one for the sake of playing plug in baby.

until i see a good example of a nailbomb being used in punk then i would coinceder it but the holydiver has been said to be a better JB and the JB is used alot in punk and pain killers was recommended by  a guy who played music in my area too hence why i coinceder them more.

I have heard the nailbomb and its a good pick up but it isnt what i want i decided to compare the tones from youtube videos and the Holydiver sounds that little bit brighter or atleast nicer to me for what i want

[Madsakre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-8aipuDILs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyqaLpJTQg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Rn09k6DqU

[itsonlyausername]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-8aipuDILs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyqaLpJTQg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Rn09k6DqU

umm i dont know why that was left but thats not what i want il show links to what i want to hear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWZyZAGyFbI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq_rf2ysGhM&feature=related

thats the hard core im into

 at the drive in

green day

i want to pick this genre as i relate to it alot better then muse or metal genre i do love metallica and iron maiden and also like lighter genre like kings of leon and such

im into all music it just that heavy style of punk that gets me going and euthasitic and its relatable

[wolfenstein]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-8aipuDILs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyqaLpJTQg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Rn09k6DqU

umm i dont know why that was left but thats not what i want il show links to what i want to hear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWZyZAGyFbI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq_rf2ysGhM&feature=related

thats the hard core im into

 at the drive in

green day

i want to pick this genre as i relate to it alot better then muse or metal genre i do love metallica and iron maiden and also like lighter genre like kings of leon and such

im into all music it just that heavy style of punk that gets me going and euthasitic and its relatable

For that stuff you can go even with Miracle Man or with any contemporary pickup..Itīs all about your personal feeling when you play in front of your amp but there is no big diference when you compare already recorded stuff...

[mongey]

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well what i want from the bridge is hard to describe i need a higher output definatly because palm mutimg and harmonics didnt pick up so well and i was told a higher output would solve that so the nailbomb/holydiver and painkiller will solve that surely

My bridge is broken but i will look to change my amp but that is a challenge in a half trying to find the right one. Marshall jcm does appeal to me just finding one used on the market thats the problem

i may go the 50 DSL used in punk and metal so it sounds like something i want but the jcm 800 had 2 output for high and low gain which i could put a line selecter to thats what really sold it but il try and dsl 50. I also looked at the vintage modern which i also like but i havent tried it id need to know its volume controls better as it is confusing and i dont want to gig with a plexi amp and make my audiance deaf but i would like some gain.

Out of curiosity give me some advice on what suits the dsl 50 and vintage modern[/quote]

yeah choosing an amp is a big deal . PU's are cheap enough to replace and you can always sell em easy on ebay if you dont like what you choose . Amp choice is also a much bigger decsion on  your sound than PU's . PU sound can easily be fined tuned with the amps eq or an eq pedal .

pick ups just dont break. well I've never seen one break other than a home modding job gone wrong . Most likely a solder has come off the switch or pot or a solder has gone cold . easy to diagnose and easy and cheap to fix.If you cant do it yourself a tech shouldnt take more than 10 minutes to find and fix .

High output is not neccesarliy needed for a strong palm mute and harmonics sound depending on the amp you use . dont get me wrong you dont want low output but mid is fine as a hot ,loud amp will do most of the work for you. I generally like higher output myself but there is something to be said for a mid gain PU into a hot high gain amp  espeially for a more punk sound in my opinion .

best thing you can do is go to every store you can get to and play every amp they have even if you cant afford to buy it. you'll at least discover your perfect sound and then you can work out how to acheive it on your budget .

And if you wanna play hardcore punk stuff I wouldnt worry about not wanting to deafen your audience. most likely they want to be defeaned  :twisted:

[Madsakre]

green day and at the drive in? thats not hardcore :S

That may explain why you're not into the nailbomb.


The reason i showed you those videos was because those artists used Nailbombs!


And real hardcore, the hardcore we thought of is stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaS5_-J-7YM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMG1xs0rs_U&feature=related

[darkbluemurder]

pick ups just dont break. well I've never seen one break other than a home modding job gone wrong . Most likely a solder has come off the switch or pot or a solder has gone cold . easy to diagnose and easy and cheap to fix.If you cant do it yourself a tech shouldnt take more than 10 minutes to find and fix .

Well they do occasionally break but it's very rare and it usually doesn't happen quickly. Let's say if you play an uncovered pickup in the bridge, gig a lot with the guitar and sweat strongly, the pickup may corrode over a certain period of time and the wire insulation may become brittle and create shorts in the winding. But even that is a very rare incident. So first thing is always to check the wiring, pots and switches.

Cheers Stephan

[itsonlyausername]

green day and at the drive in? thats not hardcore :S

That may explain why you're not into the nailbomb.


The reason i showed you those videos was because those artists used Nailbombs!


And real hardcore, the hardcore we thought of is stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaS5_-J-7YM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMG1xs0rs_U&feature=related

At the drive in is a post hardcore band and green day isnt off course i dont i said they where i just like them

i watched the vidoes and didnt like them i also sent a message to Tim he told me that when he designed the Nailbomb he wanted it to do 80s metal but soon it found its way into modern metal and pogressive rock and holydiver has a better bass and is a warmer tone essentailly

I dont how my humbucker broke it essentailly what happens i use the bridge and i hear nothing and  only if i play really agressively it starts to pick up noise but it cancels out quickly so sustain is reduced

[darkbluemurder]

what happens i use the bridge and i hear nothing

No signal or no noise?

and  only if i play really agressively it starts to pick up noise but it cancels out quickly so sustain is reduced

Does it do this also when you play directly into the amp, i.e. without the pedal? And did I understand it correctly that it does not do this when you play through the neck pickup? Does the bridge pickup do the same thing when you turn down the guitar volume a little?

Sorry for all these questions but I just want to make sure that there is no further problem in the signal chain.

Cheers Stephan

[itsonlyausername]

what happens i use the bridge and i hear nothing

No signal or no noise?

and  only if i play really agressively it starts to pick up noise but it cancels out quickly so sustain is reduced

Does it do this also when you play directly into the amp, i.e. without the pedal? And did I understand it correctly that it does not do this when you play through the neck pickup? Does the bridge pickup do the same thing when you turn down the guitar volume a little?

Sorry for all these questions but I just want to make sure that there is no further problem in the signal chain.

Cheers Stephan

sorry for the wait

essentailly what happens is at high volume straght into the amp rarely no pedal

i also play into a zoom multi fx with headphones

I play chords and single notes gently as you do and noting maybe a faint wisper then i play aggressively and it kicks to life and slowly dies out

when i roll done the volume i don't the problem persist but im abit hazzy so give me the two options of whats wrong if so.

No this dosent happen to the neck the neck plays fine if anything it now plays alot better then the bridge as it has lost the quality it once had it dosent sound like the bridge i played through when i put my hands on the guitar

[fltlll]

At the drive-in and green day =/= hardcore.

thread implodes.

[dingleberry]

TL DRed most of the previous posts, anyone bring up the fact that if you're playing a bolt-on epiphone thru a 15w Marshall MG?  There's way more important things to address than pickups for finding your own tone, let alone bringing that rig on stage.  People are free to spend their money as they please, but new guitar/amp will be more constructive towards building 'your own tone'.   

[itsonlyausername]

TL DRed most of the previous posts, anyone bring up the fact that if you're playing a bolt-on epiphone thru a 15w Marshall MG?  There's way more important things to address than pickups for finding your own tone, let alone bringing that rig on stage.  People are free to spend their money as they please, but new guitar/amp will be more constructive towards building 'your own tone'.   

My bridge humbucker is broken and im getting a marshall dsl 50 with the money i has safed up up


also i didnt say at the drive in or green day where hardcore i said i liked them atdi are post hardcore how ever and generally green day do sound similar to rise against at times

i wasnt actully going to go on stage with a practice amp jesus read prevous post and to be honest whats worst go on with the wrong amp or a humbucker that dosent work?

and my guitar is perfect it cost me 200 pounds and is essenrailly and epiphone specail body with gibson pick up and mahagony body no bass wood it has a bolt on neck but so do fenders A PROBLEM? if theres one thing i would change i would get ridof the tone knob and get another volume to control clean and dirty for the other pick and maybe a bridge thats a bit toughter im very happy with it and only death will seperate us.

[dingleberry]

Didn't mean to slag your guitar  :) I've only dealt with the few of the Epi Specials that came in to my shop for set ups.  Epiphone makes a solid piece from time to time tho glad to hear you got a good one.   But ya that marshall mg's gotta go lol  :lol:

[itsonlyausername]

Didn't mean to slag your guitar  :) I've only dealt with the few of the Epi Specials that came in to my shop for set ups.  Epiphone makes a solid piece from time to time tho glad to hear you got a good one.   But ya that marshall mg's gotta go lol  :lol:

Im aware i have bagged a marshall dsl 50

iv said this before im not an idoit on what i have to do

im going to get a marshall dsl 50 and pedal not sure the zoom will be there for the wah and noise gate i may need a good destortion but i want to see how far i can drive this dsl 50 tone wise to see is it dirty enough im keeping it simple