Username: Password:

Author Topic: Laney Cub 12R and MJW amp question  (Read 7424 times)

liftman

  • Junior Flyweight
  • *
  • Posts: 32
Laney Cub 12R and MJW amp question
« on: October 21, 2011, 01:54:02 PM »
I've posted here before about how much I like the Laney amp especially with my Jazzmaster but having just gigged with again it after a short break I feel compelled to say some more!
 So, comparing it to my '68 Pro Reverb I think it's warmer and more responsive to dynamic playing. Also the Laney never gets the 'icepick ' effect on the top strings and I feel I can hit the strings as hard as I like with no danger of taking the top of your head off. In a side-by -side comparison the Pro has more bass and more complexity overall to the sound but I find in a live situation the Laney appears to have more body ( probably having more mids).
So I was wondering a couple of things- does anyone know what if anything the Laney amp is based on or similar too?
It's a 2 xEL84 amp and to my ears does not sound Vox-like, though the crunch sound  is quite Marshall-like.
Also, has anyone played a Cub 12 and one of MJW EL84 amps and are they similar? I'm interested in finding an amp like the Laney with more power and head-room.
italia lusso, bkp90's, jazzmaster,ibanez af150,bandmaster reverb, pro reverb, ampeg j-20, mongotone

Matt77

  • Guest
Re: Laney Cub 12R and MJW amp question
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2011, 02:38:11 PM »
~Had an 18 w MJW Roadstar and now have a 36w one.
The 18 watt is very similar in design to the Watkins Dominator.
You will need 4 EL84s in the output section for any decent amount of headroom.
36w isn't that much louder and isn't noticably worse at low volume IMHO
Also, they are expensive, but Celestion Golds do a remarkable job of removing the icepick effect from any amp

tomjackson

  • Welterweight
  • ****
  • Posts: 1542
Re: Laney Cub 12R and MJW amp question
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2011, 03:03:46 PM »

I've not tried the Laney Cub, but have owned a few EL84 Laney's and they have all been nice.
I have a Roadstar 36 now and it's a step up from the Laney's.  The Roadstar would probably be right up your street.

Do not look in seconds out, sgmypod is selling a Roadstar 6v6 combo for a steal.  But I want it and am still trying to find the funds!

+1 on the golds, very nice. 

gwEm

  • Middleweight
  • *****
  • Posts: 7456
    • http://www.preromanbritain.com/gwem
Re: Laney Cub 12R and MJW amp question
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2011, 03:05:58 PM »
I believe AndyR has a Laney Cub, and would be interested in his comments here.

Its one of the amps I've vaguely got my sights on.
Quote from: AndyR
you wouldn't use the meat knife on crusty bread but, equally, the serrated knife and straight edge knife aren't going to go through raw meat as quickly

dave_mc

  • Middleweight
  • *****
  • Posts: 9796
Re: Laney Cub 12R and MJW amp question
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 06:30:25 PM »
i think i heard someone say somewhere that the cub preamp wasn't a million miles from a jcm800, but i have no idea if that's right or not (and i haven't seen a schematic, not that i'd want to guarantee that i could tell it was close to an 800 even if i did have the schematic in front of me :oops: )...

38thBeatle

  • Middleweight
  • *****
  • Posts: 6098
    • http://www.myspace.com/alteregoukband
Re: Laney Cub 12R and MJW amp question
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2011, 12:15:26 AM »
I have just got in from a gig where I used my Cub 10 ( small venue).
To me it has a Fendery type tone. I also have a laney VC30 which has a totally different character and so isn't what you are looking for.  I might be inclined to suggest a more powerful Fender amp if you want a bit more. Or maybe get a bigger can and plug the Cub into that.
Send three and fourpence we're going to a dance
BKP's: Apache, Country Boy, Slowhands.

AndyR

  • Welterweight
  • ****
  • Posts: 4715
  • Where's all the top end gone?
    • My Offerings
Re: Laney Cub 12R and MJW amp question
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2011, 10:26:52 AM »
Yep, I've got a CUB12. I've not taken it outside the house, but I have managed to get it up to rehearsal/small-gig volumes once or twice.

I've not got much to compare it to personally, though.

My main gigging amp over the years was a Laney Pro-Tube 50 master volume (pre-AOR). The PT50 is like a clone of the M/V Marshalls of the late 70s early 80s. "Marshall" was what I was after when I got it in 1983, and that's what it gave me. I was playing with guys going through Marshalls, and some of them preferred the tone I was getting (and I certainly did!). As my playing evolved I found myself wanting different, maybe more fendery tones, but I was always able to get the thing to do roughly what I wanted in rehearsal/gig situations.

Tonally, for me, the CUB12 beats my trusty old PT50 hands down. Partly because it's lower power and (if I was able to) I can easily push it up to 5-6 on the master and get the thing cooking nicely - the PT50 was always far too loud to be able to do that in gigs. And partly because it seems warmer and seems more capable of impersonating fendery/vox/marshall - it seems more versatile.

The main thing is, the CUB12 gives me the stock sound I've been dreaming of, off and on, since the late 70s. It just does it without even thinking. I know it's a budget amp, and all that, but it gives me the tone I wanted "just like that". So it's a bit of a no-brainer for me - and I realise I'm a bit lucky in that respect: I've found an amp around the £200 mark that just delivers what I've always imagined for "guitar sound". I tried some of the other Laneys - VC stuff - over the years, and they just didn't grab me enough. Nice, but not worth me getting my wallet out. When I tried the CUB it was "I have to have this", even though I didn't need it.

The other comparison I can do is against a VOX AC4TV, another EL84. I got that a few months before the CUB. It's great, but just too bluddy loud for what I want. That's why I was looking at the CUBs. Comparing my CUB12 against my AC4TV, once I'm allowed a decent volume, and once I've dialled in my standard "I'm ready to start playing" tone, then... they sound almost the same! :lol:

The AC4 seems a little choosier over different guitars, the Laney takes all of mine and does a nice job. Also, my one pedal (Danoelectro's Transperent Overdrive) is great on the CUB but horrid on the AC4. I don't really need it on the CUB anyway though!

I'm not sure what type of tone the CUB12 is aimed at. Maybe a kind of Marshally tone from the late 70s early 80s - it's certainly the nearest to my old PT50 that I've ever played. It doesn't seem as harsh and biting as actual Marshalls I've played, though. Having said that, I have read that some people find the CUB12 unbelievably and overly bright in a band situation, enough to move it on. I suspect those people don't know how to experiment with tone controls, though :lol:.

With its extra tone control, you can also move the CUB12 through more american, fendery, to more VOX british. I did try the CUB10 on the same day, and that sounded fabulous. Like 38th says, it seems more Fendery to me - I believe it's 6V6 based? In general the CUB10 seemed to kick out more bottom end and warmth. It was such a good tone, and one I wanted, but the CUB12 was more versatile. I played both for a long time in the shop, and when I managed to make the CUB12 sound and feel like the 10 next to it, that decided me.

As you can tell, I love the thing. It suits me right down to the ground. It sounds like you've bonded with it the same way maybe?

How to get more power and headroom though, I don't know. Luckily I don't need to. I'm not sure that Fender is the right route if it's the CUB12 you've fallen in love with not the 10 - it might be for you, but I don't think it would be for me, depends on how you dial yours in I guess.

I'd agree with 38th on the cab idea. I'm assuming you're using a 1x12 combo CUB12 at the moment. If I needed "more", and bearing in mind I'm not aware of the availability of a 30 watt or so version, my first thought would be to plug a 2x12 cab into it and see what happened.
Play or Download AndyR Music at http://www.alonetone.com/andyr

gwEm

  • Middleweight
  • *****
  • Posts: 7456
    • http://www.preromanbritain.com/gwem
Re: Laney Cub 12R and MJW amp question
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2011, 11:05:35 AM »
Now for my (very small) Laney cub anecdote: I once went into a shop to try a Les Paul Deluxe I saw in the window. They plugged me into some small combo or other, and I started playing the guitar. Anyway, I immediately thought - oo, this sounds /good/. I did a double take on the combo, and it was a Laney Cub 12. I thought from that moment it would certainly be on my list, if I was searching for a small amp.
Quote from: AndyR
you wouldn't use the meat knife on crusty bread but, equally, the serrated knife and straight edge knife aren't going to go through raw meat as quickly

liftman

  • Junior Flyweight
  • *
  • Posts: 32
Re: Laney Cub 12R and MJW amp question
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2011, 07:17:56 PM »
thanks for all the replies. I have tried a couple of cabs with the amp but prefer the sound with the stock speaker, which is odd 'cause it's a cheapo Rocket 50. It would  be good to try the head with the 2x12 cab but  the local shops only stock the combo.
Andy, I agree it's a really easy amp to get a great sound,  I only bought it to take on a bike tour and it pained me a bit to admit I  preferred  it to my vintage Fender Pro when i got back! Of course it hasn't got the Fender twang but it seems more musical somehow, especially with the jazzmaster.
Tom, there's a 6v6 Roadstar on Musicradar as well I've been looking at, trouble is it's in Hull and I don't like to buy an amp without trying it. I'm definitely going to get over to Martin's when I'm up north next though.
italia lusso, bkp90's, jazzmaster,ibanez af150,bandmaster reverb, pro reverb, ampeg j-20, mongotone