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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2011, 07:29:11 AM »
dont understand why they dont just start using walnut, its beautiful.

doesnt make the best fretboards though.  its a bit soft and doesnt hold a fret well it also sounds a bit muted as a fretboard - although it would be miles better than obeche.   not sure what this 'dark obeche' gibson have used on some guitars is.

this baked maple will make a good fretboard, we know maple is pretty good anyway and the baking process will push it towards the exotics in terms of hardness... but it really doesn't have the darkness people want.

there are other alternative like phenolic or there is the process of pressure cooking wood with acrylic which will make any piece of wood as hard and consistent as the best ebony - and the acrylic can be any colour you want - it goes all the way through the wood


the odd thing about the Gibson rosewood scandal is not large suppliers like LMII are still selling Indian rosewood blanks.

My understanding of the law was that everything needed some processing in India - you could not sell a massive uncut rosewood tree, but you could sell the lumber that had been processed down to a certain size.   This is still the law the Indian's have been abiding by.  Its the US  interpretation of the law which is suddenly suggesting they should be processed into an actual product before leaving India.  A fretboard would be fine, a fretboard blank is not.  

So how much would it cost Gibson to set up  a shop in India processing fretboard blanks into actual fretboards?


edit: i think Gibson are actually trying to make a point here.  chances are these wont sell well and I think they know it.  They could have used pau ferro/santos rosewood for the standards (maybe not the customs, its a bit too red). Its from south america and apparently quite abundant.
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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2011, 07:45:24 AM »
wow, didnt know it wasnt stable enough for frets. I'd say "you learn something everyday", but I didnt learn shite yesterday  :lol:
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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2011, 07:56:40 AM »
I honestly like the idea of this. I've fallen hard for Maple fretboards recently, so this suits me nicely.

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2011, 08:06:29 AM »
wow, didnt know it wasnt stable enough for frets.

dont get me wrong, it would "work".  I am sure somebody will have used it more than me and want to say its their favourite fretboard wood ever. 

 but i have not found it works very well and there are other alternatives which will work much better

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2011, 08:54:47 AM »
I feel a bit dirty for saying this but, whisper it, I actually quite like that Custom. I think I'd like it even better in black with black block fretboard inlay to emphasise the contrast. Heretical I know, but I feel better for saying it.

If what's been said above about rosewood products leaving India being OK but blanks not I'm wondering why everyone else (Fender, Warmoth, PRS et al) isn't being clobbered by this? I'm sure I must have missed something.

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2011, 09:21:24 AM »
It does seem odd.
It seems like it forces US businesses to set up more overseas labour? That doesn't seem like the American way of doing things to me.

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2011, 10:44:13 AM »
I feel a bit dirty for saying this but, whisper it, I actually quite like that Custom. I think I'd like it even better in black with black block fretboard inlay to emphasise the contrast. Heretical I know, but I feel better for saying it.

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For me, ebony boards should be pretty much compulsory for black guitars (especially if the headstock is also black) - even rosewood tends to look a bit pasty.

(Of course I would make exceptions to that rule for black Strats and Teles with maple necks!)
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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2011, 12:16:43 PM »


there are other alternative like phenolic or there is the process of pressure cooking wood with acrylic which will make any piece of wood as hard and consistent as the best ebony - and the acrylic can be any colour you want - it goes all the way through the wood


any colour you want, eh?  interesting :)
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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2011, 01:47:41 PM »


there are other alternative like phenolic or there is the process of pressure cooking wood with acrylic which will make any piece of wood as hard and consistent as the best ebony - and the acrylic can be any colour you want - it goes all the way through the wood


any colour you want, eh?  interesting :)

Washburn did a series of guitars with that stuff, and people were absolutely up in arms over it. Why didn't that catch on?

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2011, 02:01:10 PM »
yeah, washburn and a few others have used phenolic - which is usually a paper based material set in resin

Dont think any manufacturers have used acrylized wood yet - but i made gwem a strat neck with acrylized birdseye maple fretboard a few years back.  That was natural and looked just like any other maple fretboard - but felt more like ebony and needs no finish.   There is also a bass down cornwall with an identical fretboard i made some years ago

 I also did a bass with a acrylized maple top that had been done with cranberry coloured acrylic and it looked like a direct stain, except it was the same colour all the way through

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2011, 02:27:33 PM »
The epiphone Jeff waters annihilation V has a phenolic fretboard. I personally love the feel of it.

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2011, 02:39:20 PM »
Makes sense, they've impounded their wood store I guess, so they are forced to make due with what they can get quickly and in sufficient quantities.

A friend of mine has a Hagstrom strat and it uses an artificial "ebony" fretboard; the guitar is actually very nice and more than impressive for its price.

I agree with Thrull though, there are plenty of other wood options like walnut, or, if I may add, swamp ash (already used in the past), ovangol (used by Framus a lot), Korina etc.
Gibson just need to get past their tradition of using 3-4 woods only and be a bit more adventurous.
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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2011, 02:43:56 PM »
I'm a bit wary of Gibson being "adventurous"...

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2011, 03:01:51 PM »
I'm a bit wary of Gibson being "adventurous"...

+1

Fine if they're experimenting with different woods, of good quality, to see if they're genuinely worthwhile alternatives.  

But bad if they're really saying "we couldn't get the stuff we wanted to use, but we managed to get this old shitee cheap...."



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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2011, 03:18:36 PM »
Worst part is, that's infinitely more likely as long as that toss-pot CEO of theirs is still running things.  :(