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Afghan Dave

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2011, 03:29:18 PM »

Maybe it's time to give in to Gibson GAS, before they switch the spec of that model I wanted....

Body:  Superglue-impregnated balsa, with lead-shot-filled "tone chambers" for improved weight distribution!
Neck:  "Heat-treated" old matchsticks, cemented with Tite-Bond adhesive for improved strength and guaranteed no dead spots!
Fretboard:  Stained birch "reclaimed" from Henry J's kitchen floor refurbishment!  Innovative parquet inlays!


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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2011, 04:32:31 PM »

Gibson just need to get past their tradition of using 3-4 woods only and be a bit more adventurous.

they have tried!

back when henry was a member of the rainforest alliance they had their smartwood range.  ncie guitars, but they didn't exactly sell well

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2011, 04:39:39 PM »
back when henry was a member of the rainforest alliance they had their smartwood range.  ncie guitars, but they didn't exactly sell well

I had a SmartWood LP - it was good, thin body and a belly cut on the back. Nice workmanship without any thick finish to hide flaws. Wish I still had it really, I could put my Emeralds in it.

They only went halfway though - only the top and fretboard were exotic timbers, the rest of the guitar was mahogany.
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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2011, 08:00:09 PM »
here is some info on the problems at gibson - both the first raids and the most recent ones.  and apparently LMI  (who supply gibson, and a lot more of the industry) are now being investigated too.  so it will now start to affect most other US guitars makers:

Re quoted from Duke of Pearl - Chuck Erikson.  He is also having issues due to the lacey act

2009 involves woods illegaly logged in protected Malagasy forests, which had been "seized in place" at Roger Thunam's yard by the government under orders not to be sold or moved -- but Gibson's man on the scene told the factory that although illegal he could get them into the "gray market" by laundering them through the German wood broker Nagle (whose owners also own Luthiers Mercantile). The woods themselves, not the Gibson company, are named as the defendant, but since wood has no personal rights no charges need to be filed. Meanwhile, Gibson is refusing to sign interrogatory documents stating that the seized wood really did originate in Madagascar and their lawyers keep filing stays of motion, a defense tactic which prevents the courts from bringing charges on the company. If Gibson does admit the woods origin, they'll lose their claim to get them released. The courts are getting tired of this game, and may overrule and proceed with charges, since the delays are now at the point of interfering with a criminal investigation.

The 2011 raids are about legally harvested woods, but supposedly due to a series of paperwork errors the shipment intended for LMI as the consigneee (who were in turn selling them incrementally to Gibson) was mistakenly declared as going to Gibson as the consignee, and since Gibson was already being investigated this discrepancy understandably triggered the most recent raids and confiscations. The 10mm thick fingerboard blanks left India under tariff code 9209 (parts for musical instruments) as approved my India's Ministry of Trade in "clarification letters", but were intended to enter the U.S. as 4407 items (sawn wood or logs over 6mm thick, a product classification which India has made illegal to export). Switching tariff numbers on a shipment isn't kosher, but to make things even worse a new employee at the brokerage arbitrarily changed the number to 4408 (veneers under 6mm thick). BUT...since tariff classes and definitions are determined by the World Customs Organization (WCO) through an approval process of the 170 subscribing nations, neither the U.S. nor India are authorized to redefine those product classes regardless of how many "clarification letters" are generated. Fingerboard blanks don't at all qualify as 9209 ready-to-use "bolt-on" instrument parts, but instead exactly fit the legal description of 4407 sawn woods.
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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2011, 02:44:27 PM »
PRS have many of their necks made in India.  My wife's friend's family own the company who make them.   Next time I am in India I am going to go to visit them and see how they ship them.  I don't think they do anything other than build the neck and possibly install the truss rod (if they are gluing the fingerboards in place they would have to).  This would mean that they will probably be OK with the law.
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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2011, 02:47:40 PM »
i dont see why gibson or LMI cant do something similar - it wouldnt cost much to set up a small shop in india making 'guitar parts'

Philly Q

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2011, 02:54:45 PM »
PRS have many of their necks made in India.  My wife's friend's family own the company who make them.   Next time I am in India I am going to go to visit them and see how they ship them.  I don't think they do anything other than build the neck and possibly install the truss rod (if they are gluing the fingerboards in place they would have to).  This would mean that they will probably be OK with the law.

Now that truly surprises me.

I wonder how much of the building they do?  Neck shaping?  Fret slots?  Or would it be basically just gluing a fretboard blank to a neck blank then sending it to the USA for all other work?

I had no idea these strange rules existed.  :?
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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2011, 01:59:22 PM »
Thats an abomination, NOT a Custom.
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Ian Price

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Re: Gibson get bakin'....
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2011, 03:57:40 PM »
Cheers for that info Wez - very interesting stuff there. It took me a few minutes to get my head around it - I'm sure the reality is even more convoluted than that!
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