Strike!!!

[gwEm]

thats not a strike, this is a strike:

[Afghan Dave]

Because the public vote them in based on what they say they intend to do. Voters are their boss. where Twinfan says that the "public sector are the boss" he is wrong. The PUBLIC are the public sector's boss.

If I've employed someone to do a job that I don't myself understand, I'll let them get on with it.

We "USED" to have that AND political choice when we had a world leading Civil Service!

Sadly the Civil Service has been politicised and the major parties have merged values = No choice and a civil service that is no longer fit for purpose.

Like it or not, we once ran India with fewer administrators than we currently employ for a single NHS hospital.

The system has become old fat and bloated with public sector jobs, many of which were located in certain British regions for political ends.

If you hit these people you now crush entire communities.

Thatcher may have sold houses to create Tory votes but New Labour located Gov't jobs to do the same.

Allowing either imbalance to develop was immoral.

I support the strike because of fairness & the primacy of a contract. I also challenge the "State" and many who work for it (the very same public sector empolyees) because it is diseased.

[forestcaver]

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I don't complain about much to be honest, I'm pretty easy going.  I go to a private dentist but use the NHS for doctors.  If I had to pay for a decent doctor I probably would.  I earn more than minimum wage though, so I guess I have a biased view.
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Sorry - it wasnt aimed at you - many of the same people advocating a completely capitalist system for society fail to grasp that many people - doctors, nurses, dentists, etc *can* earn far more in the private sector. Destroying terms of employment and, even worse, making the working environment appalling to work in may well mean that these people choose to leave public service, for example the dentists - nhs dentists now being a dying breed. It is not impossible that GPs may well go this way. If they do, then the public health system in this country will follow the American model - the rich will have a better health system and the poor will be screwed. We are drifting into this...

[Twinfan]

True, but I guess that's the way of capitalism?

[dave_mc]

holy carp. I didn't read the whole thread, but based on some previous threads which i didn't take part in on principle, i expected this thread to be all daily mail, "hang 'em all" (clarkson must not be registered here, lol) type stuff.

and with a few exceptions (and even those, by and large, were reasonably worded) it's been the opposite.

wow

group hug

:)

Them's the rules.

i'm pretty sure the rules are that you have the right to strike (apart from in very few "key" jobs).

^ we don't exist under a 100% capitalist system though, we exist under a pretty mixed system.

[nfe]

True, but I guess that's the way of capitalism?

'Tis.

That's not a positive, though...

[dave_mc]

If you don't like the changes/terms/conditions, put up with it or get another job.  Simple as that.

it's not. For example, my parents' pensions have been frozen for the past several years- this is despite paying extra into their pension fund supposedly to ensure they would be index linked.

do you have a spare flux capacitor? theirs has stopped working.

[Philly Q]

Let's face it, when it comes to pensions we're all $%&#ed.  It's a time bomb.

They'll keep increasing the retirement age and if we're lucky we'll drop dead at work and never actually have to claim a pension.

[Matt77]

I ignore politics.  :? Generally in this country, we have $%&# all to moan about compared to most developing countries.

[nfe]

I ignore politics.  :? Generally in this country, we have $%&# all to moan about compared to most developing countries.

I can't comprehend this logic. It's worse elsewhere so lets not moan about anything here? Bizarre thinking in my book.

[nfe]

Amusingly, the Daily Mail has removed a poll from their website where 84% of voters supported the strike :lol:

[Afghan Dave]

holy carp. I didn't read the whole thread, but based on some previous threads which i didn't take part in on principle, i expected this thread to be all daily mail, "hang 'em all" (clarkson must not be registered here, lol) type stuff.

and with a few exceptions (and even those, by and large, were reasonably worded) it's been the opposite.

wow

group hug

:)

If we didn't have to spend all our public money on evicting & cleaning up after "pikeys" we wouldn't be in this mess!

I know for a fact that travellers like to make nurses cry & have sold 8 broken calculators & some "lucky" heather to the treasury.    :o  :D

(This above isn't exactly 100% true but it might be!)

[dave_mc]

^ i'd say bailing out the banks cost a heck of a lot (plus the linked recession). now things would probably have been a lot worse if we hadn't, but still when we fork over trillions (or have implicit guarantees costing trillions, which in effect are the same thing) without question to people who have caused teh problems, and then moan about nowhere-near-as-much when given to the people who haven't caused them...

:? :lol:

Amusingly, the Daily Mail has removed a poll from their website where 84% of voters supported the strike :lol:

:lol:

philly (quote system's stopped working... again :lol: ): yeah. i'll be lucky if i can retire at 150 :lol:

[Matt77]

I ignore politics.  :? Generally in this country, we have $%&# all to moan about compared to most developing countries.

I can't comprehend this logic. It's worse elsewhere so lets not moan about anything here? Bizarre thinking in my book.

I think we whinge too much as a nation.   
Get on with the important stuff. (Appreciate we may rank different things as important  :))

[MrBump]

holy carp. I didn't read the whole thread, but based on some previous threads which i didn't take part in on principle, i expected this thread to be all daily mail, "hang 'em all" (clarkson must not be registered here, lol) type stuff.

and with a few exceptions (and even those, by and large, were reasonably worded) it's been the opposite.

wow

group hug

:)

If we didn't have to spend all our public money on evicting & cleaning up after "pikeys" we wouldn't be in this mess!

I know for a fact that travellers like to make nurses cry & have sold 8 broken calculators & some "lucky" heather to the treasury.    :o  :D

(This above isn't exactly 100% true but it might be!)

Hurrah!  Back on track!!!

 :D