Motorists very rarely drive through red lights - at least if they do, you can bloody well see that they're going to!
"Cyclists, on the other hand, do it all the time."
In fact some cyclists do it a lot of the time, personally I don't nor do the majority of cyclists. So was that a reasonable part of this discussion?
This thread has presented cyclists in such a bad light that, although I tried to stay out of it, I felt compelled to respond in the end.