What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?

[FELINEGUITARS]

I am looking forward to Tims answers to the Q&A which should be up soon
i asked if there was more of a potential market for the 9 string humbuckers that he is working on and having to have parts specially made as opposed to demand for things such as mini hum buckers and wide range  hum buckers.

assuming that's sarcasm, i lulled

I haven't even got as far as trying a 7 string yet, let alone an 8 :lol:

No - not sarcasm at all
I was told that Tim was having bobbins and baseplates (and maybe covers) done for 9 string  humbuckers
I think that either there is a growing marketplace for these extended range instruments or Tim is looking to be ready for when the demand arrives.
Not sure if my ears can deal with taking the frequencies much lower (unless 9 stringers are going higher as well as lower)

I think Tim has got a lot of personal interest in that area of guitar playing (and to keep enthusiasm in a business it helps to have a personal passion that you pursue as part of your product line - a bit like me and LP and V style guitars
I think it is an area that he and Nolly share enthusiasm for and enjoy working together as a result.

It may also be a matter of pride to be able to offer a pickup that nobody else can  on the rare occasions that it will be asked for.

Tim may also have other designs and ideas lined up but he's kept them under wraps if that is the case.

The next 6 months or so will be focussed on the Blackhawk and Jag pickups  - may even be unveiled at NAMM next month.

[MDV]

Bloody extra strings.

Its getting silly. In 10 years metal gutiarists will be playing fretted harps.

[Lezard]

Its getting silly. In 10 years metal gutiarists will be playing fretted harps.

Bahahahahahahaha  :D

[Kiichi]

Sometimes I think the extra string thing can get silly, then I see the bass player of Unexpect doing incredible things on his 9 string BASS! Insane tapping lines and the likes. Then I wonder why I do not have 13 strings already.

[shobet]

Because you need to remember that you'd look like a c--k.

[dave_mc]

I am looking forward to Tims answers to the Q&A which should be up soon
i asked if there was more of a potential market for the 9 string humbuckers that he is working on and having to have parts specially made as opposed to demand for things such as mini hum buckers and wide range  hum buckers.

assuming that's sarcasm, i lulled

I haven't even got as far as trying a 7 string yet, let alone an 8 :lol:

No - not sarcasm at all
I was told that Tim was having bobbins and baseplates (and maybe covers) done for 9 string  humbuckers
I think that either there is a growing marketplace for these extended range instruments or Tim is looking to be ready for when the demand arrives.
Not sure if my ears can deal with taking the frequencies much lower (unless 9 stringers are going higher as well as lower)

I think Tim has got a lot of personal interest in that area of guitar playing (and to keep enthusiasm in a business it helps to have a personal passion that you pursue as part of your product line - a bit like me and LP and V style guitars
I think it is an area that he and Nolly share enthusiasm for and enjoy working together as a result.

It may also be a matter of pride to be able to offer a pickup that nobody else can  on the rare occasions that it will be asked for.

Tim may also have other designs and ideas lined up but he's kept them under wraps if that is the case.

The next 6 months or so will be focussed on the Blackhawk and Jag pickups  - may even be unveiled at NAMM next month.

oh right :lol:

i didn't even know you could get 9 string guitars yet :lol:

Bloody extra strings.

Its getting silly. In 10 years metal gutiarists will be playing fretted harps.

haha

[plastercaster]

I've definitely noticed the increased level of current affairs discussion- I disappeared a couple of years ago and came back to find more debate but still a generally friendly atmosphere. Personally I quite like reading what NFE (in particular) and others have to say, but it's a slippery slope from verbose discussions about politics to a place where everyone just calls each other a fag, especially if new members arrive and mistake intense but good natured discussion as a cue to start a slanging match. We're best off, as a community, doing as much as possible to keep this board civil and fun as long as possible because if it ever ends up like the youtube comments section it's never going to get back to the pleasant (and, I'd imagine, more profitable) place it once was.

Of course the moderators could send Roo a warning every time he was rude about telecasters; maybe he'd stop but he'd probably just leave. And then we'd be short of a member who, when not talking about telecasters, the Beatles or mashed potato can be knowledgeable and helpful. We already have "time out" and "dressing room" sections of the board which are not particularly well defined. I wonder what people think of amalgamating them and adding a "handbags" section for the kind of more serious posts that are not to everyone's taste?

Topics that had turned into walls of text that could be moved there to keep time out (and the rest) good natured and the debaters happy. Might also be worth limiting access to it to members with 50 or more posts. I'd be interested to hear what people think.

Bob

[keith]

I remember when I first came on this forum then the person Ben was Twilight Oddessey I put a post in the wrong section as I wasnt sure where to post he came on with a very abrupt reply I almost didnt return as I thought it was a very unfriendly place but might I say that it was only to be an isolated incident I might have just caught him on a bad day and that thanks to some members who thought he was out of turn spoke up. Im glad I stayed around as the majority of folks on here are nice people.
Thats enough bum lickin for now you orrible barstewards hope you all have a good 2012.............not
HE HE
Keith

[FredD]

Good idea Bob !
+1 8)

[Telerocker]

Of course the moderators could send Roo a warning every time he was rude about telecasters; maybe he'd stop but he'd probably just leave. And then we'd be short of a member who, when not talking about telecasters, the Beatles or mashed potato can be knowledgeable and helpful.

As a telecaster-addict I don't mind some tele-bashing by Roo. Most of the time it's amusing, you know sooner or later the snowball comes. And then some responses put a grin on my face. As long as it doesn't get nasty, I have no problem with it. Personally I don't feel the need to devaluate the taste of others. If someone likes pointy headstocks, that's good to me. Otherwise telecasters would be sold out soon.

[Ian Price]

I think that is a good idea Bob - a very good idea. Not sure how a moderator would see it though.

As for Roo and teles (and Macca 'n' Mash) I do like it that there are others that have massively different opinions from me and other tele/macca/mash lovers. It would be a boring place without that.

[MDV]

I'll give you two posts. The one I would like to write, and the one I imagine you would prefer to.

Post 1

I dont agree, bob. That probably shouldnt come as a surprise :lol: As an occasional wall of text writer, I dont see the harm. Its a bit rude to write 'TL;DR', but we're all prefectly free to think it and click a link, which is all it really amount to.

Aditionally, how do you segregate when they're often mingled? Where do you draw the line? AndyR is an admirable poster, and a frequently verbose one, and his posts and posts of similar word counts from others are often found among light discussion. I usually read them, but if you dont want to 'TLDR' (in your head, still ;)).

It also adds another layer of moderation, and also creates something else that can cause friction and be utterly self defeating. Most of us like it here as-is in that regard; nigh on unmoderated, in what we can discuss and how. I could, and may yet go on at great length on the potential of a rule segregating lengthy and argumentative posts to create lengthy arguments for the irony and self-proving demonstration of it. I'll try not to, because that would miss the point; some people like to write and read long posts, and some people like to argue and some dont. Provided they dont become abusive, I dont see that there should be a system to tailor the forums discussions toward particular tastes in discussion.

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[Nolly]

Just wanted to chip in regarding the 9-string pickups - the reason why they have been developed despite being a very niche product is because there is a way that Tim can make them without needing to invest heavily in new machining. Because of this it's still financially viable for BKP to make them, despite the demand being small. That isn't the case with completely new designs such as mini-humbuckers or wide-range pickups, which would require significant investment.
I haven't actually had any role in their development (I think both Tim and I agree it's a bridge too far in terms of what a single instrument can achieve while sounding balanced across the whole range!).

Oh, and I'll point out that though I am a moderator, I don't have that many powers. Ol is the guy to go to if you need something of any significance done :)

[Chris]

I agree with MDV - As long as nobody is being abusive then I don't see the harm in some longer, potentially contentious debates in the off-topic areas.  I wouldn't dream of telling somebody how they should post on a forum - If I don't like the way they post, I simply won't read them.  Surely this is the reason that the format of an internet forum is so popular - every topic is contained in it's own thread behind a little link, so that people who might want to read that can click on the link, and other people can skip over it.  I personally am not interested in the threads about djent or nu-metal, although I have no problem with people that enjoy it and want to talk about it.  In this case when I see a thread with 'djent' in the title I just skip over that one - I don't even open it.  Next I might see a thread about rock or politics (or political rock?!), and I might decide I'm interested in that and read it.

By the way, just to embarrass myself a little bit - Until a couple of weeks ago I actually thought that Djent was a band  :oops:  I had seen threads like 'How to get that Djent sound' and just assumed it was a new band.  Google put me right when I got curious enough to search to see who they were  :lol:

[dave_mc]

I'll give you two posts. The one I would like to write, and the one I imagine you would prefer to.

Post 1

I dont agree, bob. That probably shouldnt come as a surprise :lol: As an occasional wall of text writer, I dont see the harm. Its a bit rude to write 'TL;DR', but we're all prefectly free to think it and click a link, which is all it really amount to.

Aditionally, how do you segregate when they're often mingled? Where do you draw the line? AndyR is an admirable poster, and a frequently verbose one, and his posts and posts of similar word counts from others are often found among light discussion. I usually read them, but if you dont want to 'TLDR' (in your head, still ;)).

It also adds another layer of moderation, and also creates something else that can cause friction and be utterly self defeating. Most of us like it here as-is in that regard; nigh on unmoderated, in what we can discuss and how. I could, and may yet go on at great length on the potential of a rule segregating lengthy and argumentative posts to create lengthy arguments for the irony and self-proving demonstration of it. I'll try not to, because that would miss the point; some people like to write and read long posts, and some people like to argue and some dont. Provided they dont become abusive, I dont see that there should be a system to tailor the forums discussions toward particular tastes in discussion.

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i thought i agreed with bob until i saw your post, mark.

Nice work :)

Especially your bit about tailoring the forum to specific people- I know it's annoying when newcomers come in and change things, but certainly a fair few of the regulars who have been here from the start (or almost the start) don't seem to have a massive problem with the way things are currently.

FWIW... while I don't want this place to turn abusive or anything like that (obviously), and I feel bad when there are the odd slightly contentious threads, I would say that back in the day when everything was awesome (supposedly), i did occasionally get a little annoyed that some things seemed to be "off limits".

As I said, I want this place to remain polite (and I always feel bad whenever i feel i've been confrontational, if that's worth anything), but if i only had two choices, the sort of enforced/self-censored niceness where people are only being nice because they're not allowed to talk about anything controversial, or a place where people try to remain as nice as possible, but are free to (genuinely) disagree (rather than trolling) and where occasionally it gets a little heated, I'd pick teh latter.

I think most of us here can handle the latter. I know I can. :)

Also I'm biased because I'm probably one of the ones making the long posts :lol: