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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #75 on: January 01, 2012, 01:17:31 AM »
Its always been the latter Dave but you said it, it's the trolling that's getting some of us down.
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #76 on: January 01, 2012, 01:20:23 AM »
I find looking at tittywads helps dissipate any feelings of downyness that I get.

That and having a wank whilst reading one of the TLAs verbose posts...

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #77 on: January 01, 2012, 01:28:50 AM »
The TLA?
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #78 on: January 01, 2012, 01:29:58 AM »
TLA = three letter acronym.

You figure it out!
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #79 on: January 01, 2012, 01:35:36 AM »
I'm too tired!  :lol:
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #80 on: January 01, 2012, 02:29:16 AM »
Tit Lovers Association or Three Letter Acronyms?
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #81 on: January 01, 2012, 10:01:58 AM »
Tit Lovers Association or Three Letter Acronyms?

A proud member ;) of the TLA... The first one.
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #82 on: January 01, 2012, 10:26:01 AM »
Just wanted to chip in regarding the 9-string pickups - the reason why they have been developed despite being a very niche product is because there is a way that Tim can make them without needing to invest heavily in new machining. Because of this it's still financially viable for BKP to make them, despite the demand being small. That isn't the case with completely new designs such as mini-humbuckers or wide-range pickups, which would require significant investment.
I haven't actually had any role in their development (I think both Tim and I agree it's a bridge too far in terms of what a single instrument can achieve while sounding balanced across the whole range!).

Oh, and I'll point out that though I am a moderator, I don't have that many powers. Ol is the guy to go to if you need something of any significance done :)

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #83 on: January 01, 2012, 12:30:43 PM »
I met Ben a number of times in real life and he was never less than sincere. True, we once had a standup argument, but I still consider him a friend.

I for one will miss his posts, he always stayed up to date with the most obscure boutique gear and put down a few purchases down to his good advice.

Hopefully I will get to share a cask conditioned ale with him again soon.

As for everything else, I dislike like the pseudo-highbrow political debates as much as anyone.. but they are easy to ignore. i still think this forum is one of the best on the net in any area.

BKP definately seems to be aiming for a metal bias. i'd be as like to buy a Lollar or a DiMarzio these days.. but this is mostly because I have most of the BKP range I'm interested in ;) probably, i'm coming to the end of my guitar collecting days too. i may get an aftermath at some point though. at least tim still makes a quality item, which is something i would always trust.
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #84 on: January 01, 2012, 01:18:06 PM »
I'll give you two posts. The one I would like to write, and the one I imagine you would prefer to.

Post 1

I dont agree, bob. That probably shouldnt come as a surprise :lol: As an occasional wall of text writer, I dont see the harm. Its a bit rude to write 'TL;DR', but we're all prefectly free to think it and click a link, which is all it really amount to.
Two points for clarity: I have nothing against Roo or his telecaster issues repressed telecaster love. It was just an example of an outspoken member who I feel makes the board a better place.
For the record, I like long posts! Quite often I'll skip through a thread of them if they get too lengthy but when I have the time I quite like to read a well written and coherent argument, from any viewpoint.
Might be worth bearing in mind that (being a little deaf) I don't spend much time time in the on topic bits, where a long post is often full of valuable information for whoever answered the question. I know you do a lot of recording work and if I had an audio query a wall of text from you is exactly what I'm after! I'm better acquainted with the longer ones that crop up in time out/dressing room. A good example of the kind of thread that could be moved is the Hitchens thread- within a few replies it had got into a civil but long winded conversation that (judging by this thread) turns some other forumites off.
Of course there are other threads that exist in a more grey area.

I'll take you up on two things.
Firstly, my impression the is that increasingly this forum is getting abusive- sometimes involving long term members with many posts. Also I don't think I can just ignore threads where this kind of thing goes on. What if an interesting topic gets hijacked by people scr@pping over a pretty tangential subject? Secondly, even in threads that you don't read, arguments beget arguments and it lowers the tone of the whole board.

I agree that extra moderation is a pain in the arse for BKP and the posters alike, but I do fear that in its present state the board will not continue to be the polite and welcoming place it once was and still is. I figure the idea of a politics, religion, science and debate board is not to encourage or discourage any particular kind of discourse, but to allow people who want to debate to do it away from the others (preferably with a "don't make it personal" policy).

I'll keep any further responses to PMs or a separate thread before us wall-of-texters engulf this thread too  :lol:
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #85 on: January 01, 2012, 03:44:39 PM »
Maybe banning discussions on religion and politics, as on other boards is the answer to this one.  That way we can avoid giving free expression to the dreaded 'psuedo' intellectuals that congregate here - instead we can get endless posts in the off topic areas about about Youtube funnies and stereo/car/bike/camera/DVD, etc collections.

What I find totally annoying is when someone will post 'What is a good cheap OD?' and get a recommendation for a £160 bootique metal pedal that is the flavour of the month on the Gear Page or 'What is the best speaker for this sound, please no Celestions' and get the reply 'Howabout a V30?'.  To me these sort of answers are like not being listened to.
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #86 on: January 01, 2012, 03:46:25 PM »
those answers arent like not being listened to they ARE not being listened to.

I personally would prefer it if there was a seperate subforum for anything that could cause offense leaving the rest of the forum "normal" so to speak

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #87 on: January 01, 2012, 03:54:53 PM »
Well it has been done before - I remember an old board I belonged to were there was a password only 'contentious' sub forum (where the password was 'contentious' - so people who wanted to be like the three monkeys didn't feel obliged to enter) :D
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #88 on: January 01, 2012, 04:52:28 PM »
Its always been the latter Dave but you said it, it's the trolling that's getting some of us down.

yeah, but i mean if you're on the internet there are probably going to be trolls... i'm not sure how you avoid them. if anything this forum has fewer than pretty much any other forum i've been on. :)

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #89 on: January 01, 2012, 04:57:20 PM »
(a) Maybe banning discussions on religion and politics, as on other boards is the answer to this one.  That way we can avoid giving free expression to the dreaded 'psuedo' intellectuals that congregate here - instead we can get endless posts in the off topic areas about about Youtube funnies and stereo/car/bike/camera/DVD, etc collections.

(b) What I find totally annoying is when someone will post 'What is a good cheap OD?' and get a recommendation for a £160 bootique metal pedal that is the flavour of the month on the Gear Page or 'What is the best speaker for this sound, please no Celestions' and get the reply 'Howabout a V30?'.  To me these sort of answers are like not being listened to.

(a) I don't know if you're referring to me or not, but isn't calling people "pseudo-intellectuals" actually pretty rude and likely to cause the kind of strife you're supposedly so at pains to avoid? :lol:

I mean, I know I'm probably biased (no more than anyone else, though) as I'm probably one of the ones you guys are complaining about, but a lot of the people complaining about how rude the place has got have been making posts in this thread (and elsewhere) that i'd also consider to be just as rude, if not ruder.

and also, while we're at it, while i like a funny youtube vid as much as teh next person, a lot of those other things i have no interest in. I'm not saying to ban them or anything (i just don't go into the thread, maybe that's a useful tactic for everyone who's complaining), but i am sorta interested in the political ones.

"But the politics threads cause fights!"

Well, last time i checked that bike thread was one of the worst offenders for causing fights (and i actually managed to avoid getting involved, so it also lets me feel pretty pleased with myself).

I also don't want this place to turn into tgp. i think that goes without saying. :lol:

(b) agreed. but again, like the trolls, that happens anywhere.

maybe we should have a reading comprehension exam before people can register? :lol:
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