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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #150 on: January 08, 2012, 08:41:34 PM »
Most of this has been well, well trodden in the previous nine pages, but:

I have been on the site for a while and have noticed a lot of members that have no input on anything besides ruffling feathers. 

Who? Of the folks who are generally involved in the more debate-led threads, I'd struggle to name one that has no input elsewhere. But then I don't think any of them/us could be sensibly accused of "ruffling feathers" anyway.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  The constant bickering is getting annoying.  Especially on a guitar related forum. 

It's hardly constant. Far, far from it. In recent times I can think of the bicycle thread the Ed Roman thread, this one and one that got onto faith. That's it.

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Off-Topic has gone Off-Off-Off-Off-topic these days...

Can you have off-off-topic? Either it's about guitars or it's not, surely?


Ah, yes...what a surprise...
Thank you for ripping apart my post and questioning everything I feel.
Your first line says it all "Most of this has been well, well trodden in the previous nine pages, but"...
Funny, I did not realize there was a page limit for me to express my own comments.
It's remarks like this that are constantly surfacing on this forum.  They have not it previous years.
True, members picked on each other and were offensive...but it was great and made for a more laid back "Pub like atmosphere"...but now you can't post without getting sarcastic remarks and your thoughts broken down and questioned.  (yes, I know its not every single post but its getting worse)

I really mean no offense but your posts in particular to me have gotten more in your face..I use to enjoy reading your posts and ideas, but now its like your posts are...i'm right your wrong...and ...i feel this way, and if you don't your dumb...
maybe it's just me and i'm reading into this more than I should........

There is obviously no deadline as to when you must air your views by, but my point was that everything you've said has been discussed at some length in the thread and I think, for the most part, refuted - nobody here is only antagonistic and the more, say, volatile, threads are infrequent, they're just usually long and feature mostly the same well-informed, reasonable folks. They perhaps seem more common than they are because they remain near the top of the otherwise pretty quiet off topic forums for a while at a time and are oft filled with verbose posts.

As for ripping your post apart and questioning everything you feel, I responded to three points, clearly directed at me amongst others so I think I've every right, and I asked two specific questions pertinent to what you were saying. It's a forum, it exists for asking questions of each other when people state their ideas, no?
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #151 on: January 08, 2012, 08:46:37 PM »
There is obviously no deadline as to when you must air your views by, but my point was that everything you've said has been discussed at some length in the thread and I think, for the most part, refuted...


I think that's his point. His "feelings" can't and probably shouldn't be "refuted".
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #152 on: January 08, 2012, 08:49:31 PM »
His feelings, no, factual statements, yes - "a lot of members that have no input on anything besides ruffling feathers" and "The constant bickering" aren't feelings, they're not even really subjective.

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #153 on: January 08, 2012, 09:06:40 PM »
His feelings, no, factual statements, yes - "a lot of members that have no input on anything besides ruffling feathers" and "The constant bickering" aren't feelings, they're not even really subjective.

yes, i will agree that those statements were a little over the top...and that heated threads will be on page one as opposed to the random post that moves to page two quickly....
but surely you can not say that this forum is the same as before and that only 2 threads got out of hand.
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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #154 on: January 08, 2012, 09:09:24 PM »
Hmm i see what you are saying but that is how he is expressing how he feels.

But i can see all points in this.

I personally think that this thread should be locked and or deleted.

it looks really bad.

If i had first come onto this forum today and read about a member leaving and then having 11 pages following it with reasons as to why then evidence to back it up with some girly pics thrown in for good measure to lighten the mood.

I would probably never come back

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #155 on: January 08, 2012, 09:21:24 PM »
His feelings, no, factual statements, yes - "a lot of members that have no input on anything besides ruffling feathers" and "The constant bickering" aren't feelings, they're not even really subjective.

yes, i will agree that those statements were a little over the top...and that heated threads will be on page one as opposed to the random post that moves to page two quickly....
but surely you can not say that this forum is the same as before and that only 2 threads got out of hand.

I mentioned the four threads I could recall in recent times that became debates. I don't think any got out of hand - things need to be seen in context, this forum is unbelievably civil compared to every other one I've ever used. It's not the sycophantic place it was when I joined (and barely posted because of) where threads that weren't about guitars were pretty much all "Listen to my new song!" and heaps of well-intentioned but usually misleading praise following it. I think it's all the better for it. Those threads that err towards the political/contentious often have debate in them - as you'd expect, but most don't at all - and that's how things should be. It's really good that people feel they can question each other and don't feel compelled to be yes-men all the time. Which is really how it seemed to me at the point of joining - I signed up to ask about a pickup like most folks but virtually never posted because it felt like a Stepford Wives guitar forum.

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #156 on: January 08, 2012, 10:45:31 PM »
It's Tim's forum.  It's paid for by BKP.  We respect that, which is why we don't actively promote other makers products and speak well of the BKP team, their products and other forum members.

If you see that as sycophantic then I think you have a problem, nfe...

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #157 on: January 08, 2012, 10:46:18 PM »
That's not remotely what I mean.

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #158 on: January 09, 2012, 09:20:00 AM »
It comes to something when it's me saying it:

ENOUGH!

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #159 on: January 09, 2012, 09:38:06 AM »
It comes to something when it's me saying it:

ENOUGH!

Agreed!  :)

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Re: What has happened to Ben / Denim & Leather/Twilight Odyssey ?
« Reply #160 on: January 09, 2012, 10:03:23 AM »
OK, I think everyone would agree this thread has run its course.