BKP vs Seymour DUNCAN

[Telerocker]

Are we talking compressed mud? It's true the clarity and stringseparation of BKP's are very good, even with much ampgain. Also the pickattack doesn't suffer with ampgain and a od-pedal in front of it. Your ears hear everything better, clearer, so it might seem they 'eat gain', which isn't the case. You have to get used to clarity and dynamics. Also soft-, medium- and hardpicking makes a difference in how the amp responds. I can only talk for the BKP's I have: Mules, VHII, Crawler, IT's, MM's and BG50's.

[itamar101]

This for making it clearer.
I've watched some of the very few demo there are of the Irish tour and mothers milk pickups and I think I liked the mothers milks better cos the Irish tour seemed way to trebly but on the bkp when I compare both it says that the Irish tour has more bass and less treble than the mothers milk. Also, no demos showed the pickups with anything more than light blues overdrive and I would like to know how chords sound on each pickups with high gain. I would like the. To sound powerful but clear which I saw that the Seymour duncans really excelled at. How are the bkp MM & IT in these situation?
Which of them do you like better?

[richard]

Itamar, I think you're going to have to bite the bullet and buy something. There's only so much that can be conveyed by words and sound clips. I would go for BK myself because I think Tim and his colleagues have gone beyond what SD are capable of making.

The talk of clarity, string separation and dynamics are largely a result of scatter winding pickups and SD don't do this.

If you can't decided which BK you can take advantage of the 14 day return policy.

[itamar101]

Thanks, it seems like that's the case.
I think I might end up with a mothers milk neck and middle and IT bridge in order to keep some bass frequencies.
Thanks for you help guys :)

[Brow]

Thanks, it seems like that's the case.
I think I might end up with a mothers milk neck and middle and IT bridge in order to keep some bass frequencies.
Thanks for you help guys :)

I wouldn't say the ITs are overly trebley or that the Mothers Milks lack bass at all, but as someone already said, there's far too many variables to take into account when listening to clips.

In your position I'd be tempted to go for a set of Mothers Milks and possibly have a baseplate on the bridger pickup if you're worried about it not being fat sounding enough.

[itamar101]

Thanks, I'll take a look.

[Kiichi]

Itamar, I think you're going to have to bite the bullet and buy something. There's only so much that can be conveyed by words and sound clips. I would go for BK myself because I think Tim and his colleagues have gone beyond what SD are capable of making.

The talk of clarity, string separation and dynamics are largely a result of scatter winding pickups and SD don't do this.

If you can't decided which BK you can take advantage of the 14 day return policy.

Itīs not only the scatter winding though. Count in very high quality parts, custom made for BK, the extreme knowledge and dedecation of Tim (things can hardly ever be good enough for him it seems to me) and high quality controll.
Also the BK customer service is the best I have ever seen in any buisiness.

I too would say that MM bridge with baseplate will probably be better than an IT, though that is more of an somewhat educated guess than experience.

[itamar101]

Thanks, I just took a look at what baseplates do and they seem to have solved and founts I had. I'll be getting a set of MM pups with a bridge baseplate then it seems.
Once again, thanks a lot for the help guys.
I'm a long time ultimate guitar forum user but you guys have really helped inform my pickups desicion.
I'll be sure to start using this forum a lot more now. Thanks. Also, is there, by any chance, a way to stop the forum from constantly logging me out?

[BigB]

Thanks, I just took a look at what baseplates do and they seem to have solved and founts I had. I'll be getting a set of MM pups with a bridge baseplate then it seems.

If you have any doubt just AskTim(tm). The guy really knows it's products and as far as I can tell seems to have some mind-reading abilities - or is it just experience ?-)

Once again, thanks a lot for the help guys.
I'm a long time ultimate guitar forum user but you guys have really helped inform my pickups desicion.
I'll be sure to start using this forum a lot more now. Thanks. Also, is there, by any chance, a way to stop the forum from constantly logging me out?

Instead of using the small loging form at the top-right corner of the forum, click the "login" link above and you'll get a full form with an "always stay logged in" checkbox.

And well, yes, this is one of the (few) civilized and educated guitar forum on the net - possibly a bit biased but mostly honest ;)

[Telerocker]

I second that: ask Tim for a recommendation.

Just to keep in mind: I have the MM's and IT's in two different strats, the MM's in ash and the IT's in swampash. On the same amp the MM's have less bass then the IT's. The MM's being a tad brighter to my ears. I you wanna rock out with vintage(hot)pickups I would pick the IT's. If woodiness is important, then MM's. The neckpickup is a bonbon. Both are not designed for ultra heavy rock, but handle gain well, with the IT's a tad smoother under highgain. If you pick the MM's you can sculpt the sound with the toneknob, just a tad back will help to keep things smooth with highgain.

[itamar101]

Thanks, I just took a look at what baseplates do and they seem to have solved and founts I had. I'll be getting a set of MM pups with a bridge baseplate then it seems.

If you have any doubt just AskTim(tm). The guy really knows it's products and as far as I can tell seems to have some mind-reading abilities - or is it just experience ?-)

Once again, thanks a lot for the help guys.
I'm a long time ultimate guitar forum user but you guys have really helped inform my pickups desicion.
I'll be sure to start using this forum a lot more now. Thanks. Also, is there, by any chance, a way to stop the forum from constantly logging me out?

Instead of using the small loging form at the top-right corner of the forum, click the "login" link above and you'll get a full form with an "always stay logged in" checkbox.

And well, yes, this is one of the (few) civilized and educated guitar forum on the net - possibly a bit biased but mostly honest ;)

How can I get in touch with Tim?

[Telerocker]

Just mail the BKP-team via the site.

[Slartibartfarst42]

It's really hard to get past BKPs in my experience as they're just so damn good. BKP are certainly my favourite but if I couldn't have those, I'd take DiMarzio over Seymour Duncan any day. The Holydiver I put in my Jackson is night and day better than the JB that came out and the Hotrails that were in there were simply horrible, though in fairness they did sound a lot better when not in a maple neck-thru. Unfortunately my only experience of BKP single coils are Trilogy Suites so I can't comment on your choice but I can tell you that they are VERY impressive and far more versatile than I'd expected.