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« on: February 04, 2006, 05:39:18 PM »
New editorial up on Lamentations of The Flame Princess, by Dave "Boswell" Burns,
Impure Metal: How Underground Heavy Metal Became Mainstream Heavy Music.

http://www.lotfp.com/New/Editorials/ImpureMetal/ImpureMetal.pdf

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2006, 06:35:25 PM »
At the time, when asked about the future of "grunge", Kurt Kobain is reported to have said "Don't know, but I really like Kyuss at the moment...".

Dave Grohle mentioned that when they were recording "Nevermind" that they had a tape in the car, one side was Melvins, the other was Celtic Frost...
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2006, 06:59:21 PM »
There isn't that much grunge around these days but there's still plenty of metal.

All kinds of music evolve and influence eachother.

Here's another theory: Hippy music killed rockabilly (in the 60's).
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2006, 11:52:36 PM »
:D Most of this is S**t to be honest Ben, One thing i can`t stand is people trying to create a belief that theres nobility in being Non commercial [ in politics its trying to create a belief in the nobility of poverty ] This argument is utter s**t from start to finish. Just because bands write a tunefull song doesn`t mean there selling out. Mettalica have allways been overated.  Thrash was allways S**t as well. The reason  it died out was that everybody realised it was S**t & stopped buying it.

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2006, 01:48:03 AM »
That article seemed to drag on but just consist of the points 1) the big four of thrash sold out 2) recent metal is shite and isn't really metal 3) i know best.

the reason i stopped listening to most thrash was because the early stuff was cheese (despite what he protests) with nonsense lyrics about metal militia etc. he also neglects to mention that most people into metal were into Motley Crue, Poison, Warrant etc which like thrash just got to a point where they were doing the same thing and trying to outdo each other (speed in thrash's case, nobbing groupies in the case of hair metal). anyway in the case of Metallica, Cliff Burton wasn't really the usual metaller and by the time he was involved he had changed the stupid lyrics of Kill Em All into more meaningful matters which was much better musically. it wasn't selling out, it was about growing up. Voi Vod started doing more interesting music which didn't fit with the distinct lines of thrash.

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2006, 03:12:54 AM »
:D   + 1

Absolutley right. The reason the press started to claim that Thrash was just noise played at speed was that most metal fans were saying it !!! he neglected to point that fact out. Your right hair metal which used to be fun just became about the hair & image hence the fact that we all refer to it as hair metal !!.

The reason why Megadeath [ Dave Mustaine ] was trying to put some distance between his band & the rest of the thrash scene was that his band [ Megadeath ] actually had some good songs in there, where as most of the rest of the Thrash scene didn`t have any !!

The reason why every Metallica fan i`ve ever meet says The Black album is there best is obviouse at least to me.....It`s because thats the album that has there best songs on it !! "Enter Sandman" is a classic.  :twisted:

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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2006, 04:26:16 PM »
Metallica has always been acused of selling out. On Lightnig they were selling out because there was a ballad on it. They sold out because they made a video for One. The Black Album was selling out because it was mainstream. Load and Reload was selling out because it followed alternative music and now St. Anger is selling out because it sounds like nu metal.

It's all b*ll*cks if you ask me.

Jason Newsted had this to say about selling out:"Yes we're selling out.........every seat in the house"
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2006, 06:40:11 PM »
It's just evolution.  Punk killed prog rock.  House music killed...errr...something.  Brit Pop killed something else.

People get board of hearing the same stuff over and over again.  But it goes round in cycles.  Grunge was 60's garage comming round again.  10 years from now Grunge will be back again and my shirts will be fashionable again.  It's the 11 year cycle in pop music theory that you read about every 11 years or so.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2006, 06:42:39 PM »
well I think grunge and all the nu metal shite is the best thing that append to "metal". Why? Because all the FM metal shite got down with it and true metaler could do their thing in the underground scene. I don't care about what's "cool" theese days, I don't listen to radio, don't watch tv, I just search for what's good to my ear. I don't really care if those are considered good by mainstream media or not...
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2006, 09:28:54 PM »
Quote from: Floyd Pepper
10 years from now Grunge will be back again and my shirts will be fashionable again.  It's the 11 year cycle in pop music theory that you read about every 11 years or so.


Melissa Auf Der Maur announced this week that 2006 is the year of the Grunge revival. She thinks that the 80's thing is coming to an end at the moment, so any week now it'll be 1990 again.

Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlain have hunkered down in a studio in Chicago to record a new Smashing Pumpkins record, and Ms auf der Maur is tipped as favourite to play bass on it, so I guess she'd know if the unwashed check shirted hordes were about to emerge over the horizon ;)
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2006, 04:29:43 PM »
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Quote from: Floyd Pepper
10 years from now Grunge will be back again and my shirts will be fashionable again.  It's the 11 year cycle in pop music theory that you read about every 11 years or so.


Melissa Auf Der Maur announced this week that 2006 is the year of the Grunge revival. She thinks that the 80's thing is coming to an end at the moment, so any week now it'll be 1990 again.

Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlain have hunkered down in a studio in Chicago to record a new Smashing Pumpkins record, and Ms auf der Maur is tipped as favourite to play bass on it, so I guess she'd know if the unwashed check shirted hordes were about to emerge over the horizon ;)


I bloody well hope not. The only good thing that came out of the grunge thing was Alice In Chains. I don't even really think that they're grunge anyway, just hard rock. But they get lumped into that catergory anyway.

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2006, 04:38:45 PM »
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The only good thing that came out of the grunge thing was Alice In Chains. I don't even really think that they're grunge anyway, just hard rock. But they get lumped into that catergory anyway.


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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2006, 05:31:29 PM »
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The only good thing that came out of the grunge thing was Alice In Chains. I don't even really think that they're grunge anyway, just hard rock. But they get lumped into that catergory anyway.


I always thought it was the lyrical subject matter that got Alice in Chains lumped in with the whole grunge scene. Certainly the riffs always smacked off stadium rock to me, but i have been known to be wrong.

The thing is, I think you get a few quality bands in each genre, and then a lot of mediocre bands. i quite liked *some* grunge bands, but found a lot of them to be rather tedious. Same can be said for most genres though. Personally I'm rubbing my hands in gleeful anticipation waiting for the new Smashing Pumpkins record. But again, I was never sure they were really grunge...

And, (here comes the hippy argument) why labels anyway? It's just music maaaaaaan.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2006, 07:05:18 PM »
Does somebody have a definition of grunge?
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2006, 07:13:08 PM »
Grunge  :arrow: cr@ppy guitar players with bad dressing style :lol:
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