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Afghan Dave

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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2012, 04:50:13 PM »
Sorry mate, it's something I heard and believe but can't take any credit for hence the quote marks.  :P


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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2012, 05:02:30 PM »
 :P :P :D :D

Minimum knife price planned for England & Wales

From the BBC:

The government is proposing a minimum price of £4 per knife in England and Wales in an effort to stamp out violent crime.

Ministers say the proposal would not affect responsible restaurants or diners. But they predict that it could significantly change the behaviour of those who cause the most problems for hospitals and the police, by making it more expensive to stab somebody. The cutlery industry said the plans were misguided and would hit consumers hard.

Similar proposals are already being considered by the Scottish Parliament. Under the proposal, a minimum price, such as the proposed £4 per blade, would act as a floor and retailers would not be allowed to offer potential weapons below that level. In effect, it would not alter the price of most table knives, but could significantly alter the price of heavily-discounted steak knives, bread knives and carving knives...

Prime Minister David Cameron said the government wanted to reverse a stabbing culture that last year contributed to a hundred thousand knife-related violent crimes and hospital admissions. "Binge stabbing isn't some fringe issue, it accounts for half of knife-related injuries in this country. The crime and violence it causes drains resources in our hospitals, generates mayhem on our streets and spreads fear in our communities. We can't go on like this. We have to tackle the scourge of violence caused by binge stabbing and we have to do it now. So we're going to attack it from every angle."

http://markwadsworth.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/minimum-knife-price-planned-for-england.html
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2012, 05:43:08 PM »
The real problem with this idea is that it completely ignores the fact that we already have some of the most expensive booze in Europe.
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2012, 06:50:27 PM »
Does anybody actually think this is a good idea, so we can have a proper BKP forum heated debate?  :wink:


I really don't think this is going to achieve the stated aims.  Making people pay more for something is just.... making them pay more for something.  On the other hand, smoking is definitely declining - but I'm pretty sure that's more down to successful health education (although it took a long time) than anything to do with pricing (I'm amazed anyone pays £6 - or whatever it is - for 20 cigs, but they do)

From a purely selfish point of view, the minimum price per unit of alcohol doesn't really bother me.  But banning supermarkets from having cut-price deals pisses me right off - wine is one of the few things you can actually pick up at a bargain price when they have offers on.  I don't want to have to pay £10 a bottle when now I can pay £5.  :(  
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2012, 07:09:24 PM »
Does anybody actually think this is a good idea, so we can have a proper BKP forum heated debate?  :wink:


I really don't think this is going to achieve the stated aims.  Making people pay more for something is just.... making them pay more for something.  On the other hand, smoking is definitely declining - but I'm pretty sure that's more down to successful health education (although it took a long time) than anything to do with pricing (I'm amazed anyone pays £6 - or whatever it is - for 20 cigs, but they do)


when i quit smoking it was £7.40 for 20 marlboro and i didnt mind paying it.

The reason i actually stopped was because it was raining and i ran out of cigs and didnt want to get wet :D

Then i managed one day so thought why not just stop then i had health issues which kept me in line with it.

So what we really need is lots of rain!
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2012, 07:28:35 PM »
So what we really need is lots of rain!

Not much chance of that, Tony, if recent forecasts are to be believed!
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2012, 07:53:08 PM »
^ it always rains here :lol:

My main concern is that it'll be completely ineffective regarding most of the issues we have with alcohol. The guys out fighting on Saturday nights aren't generally on the poverty line and they're already the folks drinking in expensive city centre clubs and the alcoholics are still going to drink, perhaps simply stealing it.

It doesn't have any positives that I can see. But it punishes folks who just want to buy a crate of beer for a summer BBQ.

yeah

i mean i don't drink at all, but i'm not teetotal either (if that makes sense- I'm not off it for religious or moral reasons or anything like that)- occasionally I might not mind a glass of wine. It seems a bit ridiculous that someone who drinks as little as i do gets put off by the cost, a fair whack of which is (ostensibly, at least) to discourage binge drinking and the like.

it gets tiresome pretty quickly.

On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if my sister might be still alive if she couldn't have afforded to buy as much booze.  :(

sorry to hear about your sister :(

But again this is all coming from someone who doesnt really drink unless its a special occasion as i hate the effects it has on me even a single pint can leave me feeling less than par for a few days it just doesnt agree with my body.

yeah same here. I don't like how i feel when the alcohol is having an effect on how sober i am, and i don't like how i feel the next day as my stupid stomach is so fragile i normally feel ill the next day (and i'm not talking binge drinking here, i'm talking like one glass of wine :lol: )

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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2012, 07:58:48 PM »
yeah same here. I don't like how i feel when the alcohol is having an effect on how sober i am, and i don't like how i feel the next day as my stupid stomach is so fragile i normally feel ill the next day (and i'm not talking binge drinking here, i'm talking like one glass of wine :lol: )

im glad im not the only one. Yet i say this whilst drinking and planning a night out! I never learn...
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2012, 08:00:24 PM »
:lol:

same here. sometimes i just get sick of it and eat stuff i know disagrees with me. It doesn't help that the healthy food i like normally disagrees with me. but healthy food i don't like is normally fine. it's like it's taking the piss. :lol:

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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2012, 08:01:43 PM »
:lol:

same here. sometimes i just get sick of it and eat stuff i know disagrees with me. It doesn't help that the healthy food i like normally disagrees with me. but healthy food i don't like is normally fine. it's like it's taking the piss. :lol:

All the stuff thats bad for you/disagrees with you tastes better!

Such as cheesecake....
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2012, 08:33:25 PM »
:lol:

same here. sometimes i just get sick of it and eat stuff i know disagrees with me. It doesn't help that the healthy food i like normally disagrees with me. but healthy food i don't like is normally fine. it's like it's taking the piss. :lol:

All the stuff thats bad for you/disagrees with you tastes better!

Such as cheesecake....

I think you may be right!  Before I got diabetic and was eating my terrible high carb/sugar/trans fat diet, I used to suffer from irritable bowel syndrome.

Now I'm eating healthy, the IBS is pretty much completely gone.

But..... I wish I could still eat that stuff!  :lol:
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2012, 09:23:28 PM »
I don't get the logic behind this moce. Look abroad: Germany, France, Spain: no taxes on alcohol (or almost none?). Not as much problems as England. Did I mention that in these countries you can buy/drink beer and wine from the age of 16?
England/Ireland: highes taxes in Europe on beer and wine, big problems. I think the age here is 18 as well, isn't it?

Something tells me right there that there's a cultural problem and that a minimum price won't solve it. It's just like Polish people, who have their thing with vodka and everybody knows it. Binge drinking is popular with many people in England, it is time to face it.
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2012, 09:47:43 PM »
Something tells me right there that there's a cultural problem and that a minimum price won't solve it. It's just like Polish people, who have their thing with vodka and everybody knows it. Binge drinking is popular with many people in England, it is time to face it.

Extending the opening hours for pubs and bars was supposed to turn us into a more "continental" drinking culture, but I don't think something like that can be achieved overnight!  :lol:
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2012, 09:05:59 AM »
Does anybody actually think this is a good idea, so we can have a proper BKP forum heated debate?  :wink:


Me.  :)
I don't think it goes far enough.
I think we should also reduce the number of places it is for sale and possibly go down the same route as Finland where they have a much tighter grip of who can sell the stuff.
In addition we shouldn't sell beer in pints and wine glasses should be smaller.

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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2012, 11:25:56 AM »
I think we should also reduce the number of places it is for sale and possibly go down the same route as Finland where they have a much tighter grip of who can sell the stuff.

Unsurprisingly, I don't know anything about Finnish drinking culture.

But that immediately made me think of the sequence in the Jim Jarmusch film Night On Earth with the three drunken guys in Helsinki riding home in a late-night taxi.   Sorry, totally irrelevant....
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