Minimum Booze Pricing

[Matt77]

It is a governmental responsibility to promote well empirically supported information with regard to alcohols effect on health, for example. Not determine how or when we drink it.

I think it's both

Erm..... you've surprised me there.  :?

Indirectly they kind of do a bit of both. They set laws on measures and serving times etc.

Guys. Chill out. I am being light hearted.
I'm disappointed in some of the comments.

[Matt77]

What sort of clothes are  you supposed to wear to stop it raining in your pint?

Beer.... Rain water?

That's an idea.
All beer should be weaker

You are an idiot.

True, but he started it with his standing outside in the rain drinking a pint

[Dmoney]

Bring back prohibition

[Matt77]

:D
I woke in this mood today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

It's not me I want them to control.
It's the industry that makes a profit selling a product that harms people that I would like to see more control over.

Each to their own, but, I just plain don't like pissed idiots and I don't like paying for their trail of destruction.
It's fine to go get drunk, I just despair that it is such a regular item on the agenda and that internationally the UK seems to be typecast as a bunch of pissheads.

Rant hat on.

4 people I know dead from alcohol.
Broken glass outside my house everyday for my dog to walk through in the morning.
I get a bit sick of the drink culture.

I'm not mad about this, just giving an opinion that as a nation, it wouldn't be a bad thing if we drank less and found something else to do with our time.

Ok. Let's say everyone holds this opinion. Please provide any evidence that minimum pricing (or any further means of control) will have any effect on the above.

Evidence of any control and prohibition of intoxicants throughout history will demonstrate the opposite.

http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/groups/dh_digitalassets/documents/digitalasset/dh_091366.pdf
Well that's a start.
I do drink by the way, I just don't get drunk

[nfe]

"commissioned and funded by the Policy Research Programme in the Department of Health".

"This set of studies attempts either to establish a link between changes in taxation and subsequent changes in alcohol-attributable harm or between changes in pricing and subsequent changes in harm."


Well. No bias there, then. It is worth also considering, as Afghan mentioned earlier, the "harms" considered to be alcohol related for such studies can be as tenuous as your roof collapsing on you after you've had a couple pints - ie, have no relation to alcohol other than the fact you happened to have had a drink when it occurred.

[Matt77]

Don't judge a book by it's cover.
There is some interesting information if you read all of it.

[JDC]

Shobet is gunna be pissed!!!

[tomjackson]

There's no minimum booze price in Spain and the village we go to every year seems to have pleanty of alcoholics.
It's generally all older men who sit in the bars every night playing cards and sinking large amounts of spirits.
They behave very well though (except for leaving their wives every night while they go out with their mates).
You would hardly know how much they drink.

The younger folks however are all outside until all hours.  The girls stand in groups and the guys seem to drive past s fast as they can on their scooters in order to impress.  Ages from say 15 to 20.  None of them seem to drink  and all behave pretty well as far as I can see. 

I think drinking is not cool to the younger folks in Spain, it's only when they get older when the men go indoors in the bars, eat tapas and drink brandy all night, smoking and watching football that they really start to drink so much.  Possibly it's becuase it's still very much influenced by the Catholic church?

So I think the UK has a social problem, drink is part of it but not the root cause.  People who can't behave can't behave whether they are drunk or not, drinking may make them worse but there's plenty in the UK that don't need to get wasted to behave like t%&ts.

With regards to measure sizes, the pint is an old measure that has stuck in the UK becuase beer is supposed to be drunk at room temperature.
Hot countries use smaller measures (like in Spain or  the schooner in Oz) so cold lager stays cold while it's drunk.

[Matt77]

Makes sense.
I totally agree with your perspective on the UK social problems.
Plenty of non drunk tw@ts on my estate, but it's nearly noon so that will change shortly

[Matt77]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17508963
Hmmmm...NHS charges for drunks anyone?

[dave_mc]

:D
I woke in this mood today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

It's not me I want them to control.
It's the industry that makes a profit selling a product that harms people that I would like to see more control over.

Each to their own, but, I just plain don't like pissed idiots and I don't like paying for their trail of destruction.
It's fine to go get drunk, I just despair that it is such a regular item on the agenda and that internationally the UK seems to be typecast as a bunch of pissheads.

Rant hat on.

4 people I know dead from alcohol.
Broken glass outside my house everyday for my dog to walk through in the morning.
I get a bit sick of the drink culture.

I'm not mad about this, just giving an opinion that as a nation, it wouldn't be a bad thing if we drank less and found something else to do with our time.

i hate the drinking culture and big business too, but that doesn't mean i want to bring in draconian laws that impinge on people's freedom.

not to mention on the freedom of people who can do it responsibly. I was never a fan of keeping the whole class in because one person misbehaved. it's unjust.

Oh, and by the way, you know what annoys me a lot, and probably more than the drinking culture? Douchebags who let their dogs foul all over the footpaths, or who let them off the lead in parks where they run around scaring people and jumping up on them (both of which are illegal, i might add).

Using your own "cures", since you have no problem in infringing others' rights who aren't doing you any harm, when exactly are you going to be handing your dog in to the local government benevolent protectorate?

EDIT: dangit afghan made this point already. i really should read the whole thing before posting :lol:

What sort of clothes are  you supposed to wear to stop it raining in your pint?

Maybe a little more metrosexual than you'd like, mark :oops:

There is no such thing as cr@p weather, only cr@p choice of clothing  :)

what clothes do i wear to prevent the golf course, or the tennis courts, from being waterlogged?

[Roobubba]

Sorry, I missed this thread and can't be arsed to read through 5 pages of it :)

Just wanted to point out that the minimum pricing *largely* affects things like Tenants Super, White Lightning and so on...

If you're drinking that stuff, you've got WAAAAY more problems than this minimum price policy.

I drink, and probably too much according to the recommended quantities, but it's decent booze all the way, thank you very much.

[Matt77]

:D
I woke in this mood today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

It's not me I want them to control.
It's the industry that makes a profit selling a product that harms people that I would like to see more control over.

Each to their own, but, I just plain don't like pissed idiots and I don't like paying for their trail of destruction.
It's fine to go get drunk, I just despair that it is such a regular item on the agenda and that internationally the UK seems to be typecast as a bunch of pissheads.

Rant hat on.

4 people I know dead from alcohol.
Broken glass outside my house everyday for my dog to walk through in the morning.
I get a bit sick of the drink culture.

I'm not mad about this, just giving an opinion that as a nation, it wouldn't be a bad thing if we drank less and found something else to do with our time.

i hate the drinking culture and big business too, but that doesn't mean i want to bring in draconian laws that impinge on people's freedom.

not to mention on the freedom of people who can do it responsibly. I was never a fan of keeping the whole class in because one person misbehaved. it's unjust.

Oh, and by the way, you know what annoys me a lot, and probably more than the drinking culture? Douchebags who let their dogs foul all over the footpaths, or who let them off the lead in parks where they run around scaring people and jumping up on them (both of which are illegal, i might add).

Using your own "cures", since you have no problem in infringing others' rights who aren't doing you any harm, when exactly are you going to be handing your dog in to the local government benevolent protectorate?

EDIT: dangit afghan made this point already. i really should read the whole thing before posting :lol:

What sort of clothes are  you supposed to wear to stop it raining in your pint?

Maybe a little more metrosexual than you'd like, mark :oops:

There is no such thing as cr@p weather, only cr@p choice of clothing  :)

what clothes do i wear to prevent the golf course, or the tennis courts, from being waterlogged?

Both your point and dave's about the hound are quite far off the Mark and presume an awful lot about my dog and my responsibleness as an owner. Those douchebags annoy me potentially more than you

[nfe]

You've not understood their point. They make absolutely no assumptions whatsoever about you or your dog. Afghan made THAT point too, in fact. They're saying that punishing responsible folks to try and also hit the bad in a scattergun approach is stupid.

Essentially, there are people who use alcohol irresponsibly so every should pay more = there are irresponsible dog owners so all dog owners should be controlled vigilantly.

[Matt77]

I get the points fine NFE
But re read their posts, there are plenty of assumptions in there