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Re: Airbrushed out of history
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2012, 02:23:11 PM »
Andy R - without bothering to check it out on t'internet I remember reading an interview with SRV where he said the original deal for the Let's Dance tour was that Double Trouble would be the support act. At the last moment Mr B's management changed their minds so he quit the tour.

As far as the Sabbath situation, years ago I played in a 4 piece pub band with a singer who had an ego the size of the known cosmos. We always split our meagre earnings 4 ways until the singer announced one day that, as the star of the show (in his mind at least), he would henceforth be paid half the money and the other three of us could split the other half between us. Without having to resort to extensive legal proceedings we came to a decision that the drummer (big, ugly git) would kick him around the pub car park for 10 minutes (long overdue) after which we found another singer.

Sadly, in a band like Sabbath such decisions are more complex and, as Geezer says, are negotiated by their representatives with no input from the band members themselves. I don't see this situation as being all down to the loathsome Sharon although, going on her past form, it is not unreasonable to automatically cast her as the bad guy. Eventually the brand becomes bigger than the band.

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Re: Airbrushed out of history
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2012, 03:28:21 PM »
Yeah (SRV story) that's the original story I'd heard. But then a while back I heard the other story, not sure where. I seem to have a memory of watching some program that had the story, with bits of interviews with David Bowie and the surviving members of Double Trouble that seemed to support it. The Double Trouble guys didn't seem to know a lot about it - they had known about the possibility of supporting Bowie, but it hadn't really been a serious option and SRV was going off and doing the tour. And then suddenly he wasn't. David Bowie's input was along the lines of - it's a long time ago, not sure exactly what happened, it was real shame, pity I hadn't been available to talk things through when it all kicked off - I just heard "you havent haven't got a guitarist he's walked out", and I blamed him for years... turns out it might have been a misunderstanding due to his management wanting more money because he was starting to get famous in his own right, wish I'd known it wasn't SRV himself, we could have sorted it out, instead we just chucked him off the tour...

Who knows though? History gets rewritten all the time :lol:

Like you say, the brand gets bigger than the people involved - everyone has to tell the story to make the "brand", whatever bit of it they're involved in, remain as sellable as possible. Or at least that's what they think they're doing anyway! :lol:

Sounds to me like that's what's going on here.
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Re: Airbrushed out of history
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2012, 10:48:57 PM »
I wonder if it has more to do with Wards health issues - maybe he's scared that he can't actually cope with the shows, and wanted to blame someone?

Anyone know exactly what his health issues are?  They seem to have led him to bail out a number of times, going right back to the early days with Dio.

Whenever I've seen interviews with Bill Ward he seems like a lovely gentle sort of chap, but perhaps he's just a bit flaky - maybe the rock'n'roll lifestyle doesn't really suit him any more.
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Re: Airbrushed out of history
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2012, 12:28:25 AM »
Well, that certainly throws a new light on it all.

...I stand by my opinions on Sharon / Management, though.

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Re: Airbrushed out of history
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2012, 05:40:08 PM »
maybe the airbrushing is nothing untoward.. could just be they did it so that people aren't disappointed when hes not playing at the gigs having not heard all the drama?

it looks bad, but could be good intentioned. anyone knowing sabbath knows bill's contribution, its quite different to the randy rhoads albums in that respect.
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Re: Airbrushed out of history
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2012, 09:00:49 AM »
The history page at least mentions Ward, however glosses over non-Ozzy stuff. Also mentioned that Ozzy stop and additionally went on to enjoy a lot success because a solo singer. Errr they fired him! Oh and BS went on to have a line up change and also enjoy a couple achievements by way of a few of records. It's like watching a particular American war movie.
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