SSS set for early to mid Yngwie/Joe Stump sound? Plus info on JVM/Vint. Modern!

[Vintage Metal]

Hi everyone,

I'm pretty much wanting to know which pickups would be great for that early to mid era Yngwie tone?

I see that the Trilogy Suites look a great, but I'm afraid they may be a bit too high output?

This leads me to my next question, Yngwie's and Joe Stump's Dimarzios are very high on the DC rating(more or less Sinner ratings), but yet again very low output. This makes me think maybe the Trilogy Suite's may work? BKPs DC to Output Rating really confuses me.

I just really love Yngwie's & Joe Stump's tone when playing rhythm. You can hear every note in the complex catchy chords within the riffs. But again I really need that great neoclassical soloing tone.

Like I said I'm looking for that early Yngwie tone. Kind of up to the Fire & Ice album. I really hated it when it got post Seventh Sign. It just sounded muddy and awful with no emotion.

Thanks

EDIT: I know it's the pickup section, but I thought I'd add it here as it's still kind of Yngwie related. I'm looking for a very versatile Marshall, and I wondered whether the JVM can nail his Plexi tone? Also been considering the Vintage Modern and was curious on peoples views about this?

[Slartibartfarst42]

The issue of output ratings and DC resistance is an ongoing issue here and I would certainly prefer it if they published output levels as it can be confusing, especially now we have the high output Black Hawks that have a very low DC resistance. Anyway, I use Trilogy Suites in the neck and middle positions of my Jackson and I don't find them to be too hot at all. Quite the reverse in fact; I expected far more power than they actually produce but the upshot is that they are very articulate and versatile and I believe are aimed primarily at Yngwie's earlier tone.

[Telerocker]

Trilogy Suites definitely.

[Vintage Metal]

Would you say the Sinners are more like his later tone with the Duncans?

With the Trilogies, how do they compare towards the Dimarzio HS-3 and Dimarzio YJM neck? I just love the clarity of his tone on songs like You Don't Remember, I'll Never Forget and stuff. I'm just torn between the actual Dimarzios, or wether BKP make something a bit more unique.

[Slartibartfarst42]

I've played Bare Knuckle, DiMarzio, Seymour Duncan & PRS pickups and to my mind nothing compares to Bare Knuckles. They are unique to my mind only in being vastly superior. You get what you pay for here. Of those I've tried, Seymour Duncan were the worst and they were soon ditched out of my Jackson in favour of Bare Knuckles. I've been more impressed with the PRS HFS and VB pickups that come stock in my SE Custom 24 but they're also going in favour of Bare Knuckles. DiMarzios were, in my experience, a lot better than Seymour Duncan and I loved them right up until the moment I tried Bare Knuckles. There was no going back after that and now I'll only use Bare Knuckles. Getting DiMarzios will save you money and give you a decent tone but you'll have to live with the knowledge that the tone you have is second best and you could have had better.

I'm quite passionate about BKP. I should be on commission!  8)

[Vintage Metal]

What are the Trilogy Suites like in the neck for both clean tones, and sweeped and shredded Yngwie type phrases?

[ericsabbath]

why not having an actual 50w plexi?
no other marshall will you give you that tone, except the YJM

[Vintage Metal]

because I play a lot of other music besides the neoclassical shred thing. I play a lot heavier music as well as music like Satriani and bands like Kamelot, Hammerfall, GnR, Skid Row. I'm not after the exact Yngwie tone, just something which can nail that style. That's why I was wondering about the JVM and Vintage Modern.

[Vintage Metal]

I'm thinking the Vintage Metal as the JVM may be overkill and have too many bells and whistles. I was thinking maybe an overdrive and distortion pedal (separately of course) pushed through it. I have my high gain amp so don't need this amp to be able to explore that terratory.

[ericsabbath]

a boosted Plexi or a master volume JMP/JCM 800 can achieve all those tones with a proper booster

the JVM is one of the highest gain amps on the market
gain around 2 on ch 3 is already heavily saturated double boosted 80's
sometimes a lower gain single channel amp can be as versatile as a multi channel amp

[Vintage Metal]

Do you think a Vintage Modern may be a perfect amp to fit right in between then? I just don't want to restrict myself to the Plexi tone. I think something more modern that the Plexi, but not as modern as something like a Kerry King 800.

[Slartibartfarst42]

I like the JVM myself as it covers all the bases you'll likely ever need.

[ericsabbath]

Do you think a Vintage Modern may be a perfect amp to fit right in between then? I just don't want to restrict myself to the Plexi tone. I think something more modern that the Plexi, but not as modern as something like a Kerry King 800.

not really
it's based on the JTM45, but modded with a quite high gain preamp circuit and a post phase inverter master volume (PPIMV) control
it has the bassy and round tone of the JTM, but sounds kinda fizzy to my ears
I don't think using a plexi or a JCM 800 restricts anyone, unless you want it to
that's what 90% of rock guitarists used back in the 70's and 80's and there are sooo many different tones from that era
they are extremely dynamic amps and react differently with different playing and different pedals
the JVM and the JCM 2000 are no near as sensitive

what is your price range?
it's hard to beat a good modded JMP or JCM, but a properly used stock old Marshall sounds killer

[Vintage Metal]

No more than around £700 give or take. I need a good cab too so my limit for both is around the £1k mark. Second hand is an option. Obviously I'd like to go and test them out first. But it's always good to have a good foundation on what to expect.

[Slartibartfarst42]

Why do so many guitarists have to have an amp and cab? What am I missing? I generally use 1X12 combos or a 2X12 combo at most as after that it's either going to have a mic shoved in front of it or it's simply too big and cumbersome for the venue or both. Hell, last time I saw Joe Satriani he was using a JVM combo with a mic in front of it and the venue was probably a lot bigger than most guitarists on forums. The only time I had an amp and 4X12 cab, I hated it. It was a pig to cart around and I was always struggling for space at gigs. Sure, it had a bigger sound than the combo but I wouldn't go back to the amp and cab for anything as the difference wasn't THAT great and certainly nobody in the audience gave a rat's ass either way. I've even spoken to a number of pro guitarists who have told me not to bother with an amp and cab as it's not needed. Is it just that it looks cool?