Best BKP for thrash

[JBASHORUN]

I'm looking to upgrade one of my guitars to better pickups.  Its a Gibson SG.  I play mainly thrash type stuff a la Megadeth, Death Angel, Pantera, Metallica, etc.  I was wondering which pickup would be best suited.  I've heard great things about the Warpig, but some say its pretty bassy and not much treble, and I don't want a muddy sound... I want good crunch, but there has to be enough clarity and versatility to tone things down for the more sensitive parts.  

Any suggestions as to which pup is best are appreciated.



PS:  It was a bit childish to delete my last post on the active pickups... what, is it ILLEGAL to mention other options?!!!

[Ol]

PS:  It was a bit childish to delete my last post on the active pickups... what, is it ILLEGAL to mention other options?!!!

Your post was reported by several forum members as it was about another pickup and appeared as though you were spamming.  And considering it was your first post, it does not demonstrate much etiquette to talk about another pickup on our forum.   When you signed up to the BKP forum you accepted our terms and conditions, one of which is:

"You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit."

I hope this is clear.  However, if there has been a misunderstanding, please accept my apologies.

rgds
Ol.

[genocidal tendencies]

If I were a mod I would have moved it, not deleted it, but I guess that's just me.

Anyway, the warpig's certainly not muddy, but it's probably too bass heavy for old school thrash. It's designed more to cope with modern metal. For the bands you suggest I'd say the nailbomb is probably what you're looking for.

[JBASHORUN]

Thanks for your reply.

I apologise if I offended BKP, but would like to confirm that I AM a potential BKP user.  Or at least I WAS until now!  Quality products, good image... the only downside I could see was the price, but considering they are handmade (and in England, as opposed to some far Eastern country) I can appreciate the extra cost.

My post regarding the active pickups was in order to compare the active pickup with BKP products to find out which would give a similar or EVEN BETTER sound, and to find out whether I would prefer a BKP.

You will note that I said I had not yet installed the active pickup, and for that reason I was looking for alternatives.  I wanted to know if the Warpig would sound similar, yet allow for more versatility by driving the amp less when on low gain settings.  Other members realised this, and kindly directed me toward the MiracleMan.  I then wanted to compare this to the active pup to understand how it would differ.

I really can't understand that mentioning another type of pickup is a problem...  The caption next to the 'Pickups' forum says "Get in the ring for EVERYTHING about pickups", not "This space is for free publicity of BKP products".  

I thought BKP was secure enough about their products to admit that there are other manufacturers of pickups out there, but perhaps I'm wrong.  If you can't compare BKPs to other pickups, what CAN you do?  

I might also add that I never once said anything derogatory about BKP in my deleted post, and if the post had continued, the discussion might have even worked out greatly in favour of BKP.

Ofcourse, feel free to delete my posts as you wish.  But when freedom of speech, and freedom of industrial competition is replaced with... "you will only say what WE want you to say" and "there is only one supplier, and that is US"... well, we all know what sort of people subscribe to that sort of mentality....


Spamming?!  WTF?!


Jb

[JBASHORUN]

Anyway, the warpig's certainly not muddy, but it's probably too bass heavy for old school thrash. It's designed more to cope with modern metal. For the bands you suggest I'd say the nailbomb is probably what you're looking for.

Thanks, man... I'll try and check some of the audio samples.

[JBASHORUN]

Hmm, just been checking out Tim's audio samples (the dude can play!).  But the audio clip of the Nailbomb-  he says he used some distortion effects, but it still doesn't sound that "heavy"... good thrash soloing/lead tone though.  Or maybe thats just because he didn't play such a heavy song.

Now the Miracle Man has that "heavy" sound for the powerchords, but it might be OTT, and not right if you try soloing with it, although I can't say for sure.

It would be good if there was a pup inbetween or a cross between the two!!!

Thanks again,
Jb

[Ol]

jb, thank you for the courteous response.

Thanks for your reply.

I apologise if I offended BKP, but would like to confirm that I AM a potential BKP user.  

No offence taken.  But you have to understand that we would like the BKP forum to remain a cool chilled out place to be with quality sharing of information. And if part of that process is to be sometimes a little overzealous on acting on reported posts then so be it. What we don't want is the standard of the forum to drop to the level of other forums where people just post rubbish.  (And before you suggest it, I am not saying your post was 'rubbish' :-))

I really can't understand that mentioning another type of pickup is a problem...  

Mentioning other pickups is NOT a problem, if mentioned in the right manner.  What I and the members who reported your post had issue with was the manner in which the 'other' pickup was mentioned.

I might also add that I never once said anything derogatory about BKP in my deleted post,

True, and no one said you had.

and if the post had continued, the discussion might have even worked out greatly in favour of BKP.

Perhaps.

Spamming?!  WTF?!

We get a fair number of posts on the forum which need deleting because they are spam.  We have to make a decision on whether we think they are spam or not.  Sometimes we make the right decision, sometimes not.  After all, we are only human.  In this case, it appears to be in a grey area.

I shall be drifting off into the shadows again, so this will be my last post on the matter, but nevertheless, welcome to the forum.

rgds
ol.

[Kilby]

Ermm,

I replied to the original posting, and it did look like it was a tech question regarding the active pickup you have already purchased rather than a question regarding a bareknuckle product.

It may have looked like spam (to some) though (to me) it just looked a bit off topic.

The guys here are not perscriptive over what can be discussed, but do try and keep things on topic. They are also rather generous in that they (unlike other pickup mfgrs) do not allow critisism of other mfgrs products.

However to get back on topic from your description the Nailbomb would be a pretty good pickup choice, though perhaps a Miracle Man may also be in the tonal range you want.


Rob...

[JBASHORUN]

ok, point taken...  its not wise to promote (intentionally or otherwise) another manufacturer's product on a company's website.  I can see why you might have objected.  I'll try and keep it BKP from now on!  :D

Jb

[Ratrod]

I was able to read your first post and hear the audio sample. If you liked the sound of that, I would suggest a Miracle Man. If you liked the bass of that sample but not the treble of it, the Warpig is the answer.

[JBASHORUN]

from your description the Nailbomb would be a pretty good pickup choice, though perhaps a Miracle Man may also be in the tonal range you want.

Hmm, yes... I like them both, but for different reasons.  So... perhaps that could be solved by puting a Nailbomb in the bridge pos, and a MM in the neck pos?  sounds like a good idea...

[JBASHORUN]

I was able to read your first post and hear the audio sample. If you liked the sound of that, I would suggest a Miracle Man. If you liked the bass of that sample but not the treble of it, the Warpig is the answer.

Yeah, I liked the sound of the active pup, so the MM would be good (Plus its passive, so no need to replace batteries and refit pots!).  But I'm really after a setup that can give me the "chugga-chugga" thrash basslines and muted powerchord riffs, yet still be versatile enough to play some good "widdly-diddly-dee" solo/lead licks too.

But maybe if I want that sort of thing I would have to consider both the bridge AND neck pickup, and maybe start using my switches more...


Thanks,

Jb

[TwilightOdyssey]

I played a quick thrash clip using the MM here:

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2141

A ceramic pup is going to have much tighter bass than Alnico V, imo, tho.
If you want a looser, chugging-type tone, the MM is probably not the way to go.

[jt]

:D Ok here`s my Twopeneth worth. Having heard the EMG`s at LGS & in guitar shops for my money there`s no competition, i`d go for a Miracle Man, Nailbomb the Warpig might be a bit to New Punkish tho

 :D  8)

[_tom_]

Cant Tim make a MM with Alnico magnet instead of its ceramic one? I thought I read somewhere that he did that, or was that ceramic warpigs? Anyway, for metal tones, Nailbomb seems the way to go for versatility