Was this ever a Slayer shirt, or did someone at Top Shop just google 'Skull'

[Afghan Dave]

As for it being a bit Nazi looking, at least they had the best looking costumes ;)

Without a doubt!

Putting politics to one side, if I had to wear any uniform a Nazi SS uniform looks f**kin suave... and kinky.

[Dmoney]

Not swastika tattoos done in that Hindu/Tribal style, which I'm not sure I can support either

That's a common misconception. It was even mistaken in Earth by Jon Stewart and Co. When the lines of the symbol point to the right, it's a swastika. The literal meaning is "to be good." It's just been changed over the years and used for what people want to use it for, so it invokes evil now. There's nothing we can do about that. But the left facing form of that symbol is a Manji, mainly used in the far East to mark a Buddhist temple.

(I will admit I needed some help from Wikipedia to remind me.) :oops:

Yeah I know the original meaning, and when I worked in India I saw them all over the place in all directions. I don't have an issue with that as such, just that having a massive swastika tattoo (for example) may not be the most well thought out move in Europe (and I'm sure other places) for exactly the reasons you mention. I know at least one person with loads of tribal swastikas, and while I'm sure they are doing it on the basis of the original meaning, I often wonder if it's REALLY appropriate given the meaning a symbol like that now has in the west.

I guess it's a huge debate, and not really the point of the thread. It's also something I open to hearing reasoning about (as far as say, hindu related swastika tattoos goes). If you tried the same argument with me while inked up like Ed Norton in American History X, I doubt you'd sway me however.

I kind of typed this out before I read Philly's post and yours, but yeah, that is what I was getting at.

[Dmoney]

As for it being a bit Nazi looking, at least they had the best looking costumes ;)

Without a doubt!

Putting politics to one side, if I had to wear any uniform a Nazi SS uniform looks f**kin suave... and kinky.

But if it has skulls on it means you're a baddy?

points all around for Mitchell & Webb references

[Nadz1lla]

Almost as bad as when Gaultier designed a T-Shirt for Beckham and used the Crass logo without the band's permission.

Although TopShop might have at least obtained permission for this. I get a bit arsey about this kind of thing, though, to be honest. A bunch of trendy teenage plastics buying a shirt like that because it's "edgy" and "in" and not because they have any inkling that it's a band severely twists my nuts!  :x

[HTH AMPS]

Almost as bad as when Gaultier designed a T-Shirt for Beckham and used the Crass logo without the band's permission.

Although TopShop might have at least obtained permission for this. I get a bit arsey about this kind of thing, though, to be honest. A bunch of trendy teenage plastics buying a shirt like that because it's "edgy" and "in" and not because they have any inkling that it's a band severely twists my nuts!  :x

^ I'd imagine that Crass weren't too pleased about that one (having recently watched a documentary on them and the whole anarcho-punk movement).

[Dmoney]

What film was that? I'd quite like to see it, although in my head it features lots of upper middle class boys with dirty dreadlocks sitting around on the floor in puddles of zeppelin cider pilling to high heaven while trying to talk about the merits of bumbags and courier bikes. Did Crass ever make ANY merch? People tell me they didn't, but I've seen people wearing Crass shirts.

[FELINEGUITARS]

As for it being a bit Nazi looking, at least they had the best looking costumes ;)

Without a doubt!

Putting politics to one side, if I had to wear any uniform a Nazi SS uniform looks f**kin suave... and kinky.

designed by Hugo Boss.........I'm surprised that one of Phillip Green's stores would carry something with such blatant 3rd Reich insignia.

I'm sure the Daily Mail will be all over it by the end of the week

[HTH AMPS]

What film was that? I'd quite like to see it, although in my head it features lots of upper middle class boys with dirty dreadlocks sitting around on the floor in puddles of zeppelin cider pilling to high heaven while trying to talk about the merits of bumbags and courier bikes. Did Crass ever make ANY merch? People tell me they didn't, but I've seen people wearing Crass shirts.

our singer has a Crass t-shirt, no idea if it's legit merch like. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ1CvwF7BQ&list=FLzqKEsk80v098n1C-pey1HA&index=12&feature=plpp_video

[nfe]

Not swastika tattoos done in that Hindu/Tribal style, which I'm not sure I can support either

That's a common misconception. It was even mistaken in Earth by Jon Stewart and Co. When the lines of the symbol point to the right, it's a swastika. The literal meaning is "to be good." It's just been changed over the years and used for what people want to use it for, so it invokes evil now. There's nothing we can do about that. But the left facing form of that symbol is a Manji, mainly used in the far East to mark a Buddhist temple.

(I will admit I needed some help from Wikipedia to remind me.) :oops:

There's no 'original' meaning as such as standalone images insofar as I understand it - plenty ancient mosiacs are covered in them going in both directions - especially in Buddhist and other south east Asian cultures. Loads of interlocking versions much like Celtic knotwork.

You still see lots of it in Eastern art and as patterns in clothes, but clearly the standalone image now has connotations that aren't likely ever to be shaken off.

[WeAreNotGentlemen]

Not swastika tattoos done in that Hindu/Tribal style, which I'm not sure I can support either

That's a common misconception. It was even mistaken in Earth by Jon Stewart and Co. When the lines of the symbol point to the right, it's a swastika. The literal meaning is "to be good." It's just been changed over the years and used for what people want to use it for, so it invokes evil now. There's nothing we can do about that. But the left facing form of that symbol is a Manji, mainly used in the far East to mark a Buddhist temple.

(I will admit I needed some help from Wikipedia to remind me.) :oops:

There's no 'original' meaning as such as standalone images insofar as I understand it - plenty ancient mosiacs are covered in them going in both directions - especially in Buddhist and other south east Asian cultures. Loads of interlocking versions much like Celtic knotwork.

You still see lots of it in Eastern art and as patterns in clothes, but clearly the standalone image now has connotations that aren't likely ever to be shaken off.

And they shouldn't be. I don't feel like being around for WW3.

[nfe]

I would disagree. Should English people avoid English flags because more and more they're associated with fascists? Seems silly to forever lump a simple shape with an ideology. Not doing so doesn't mean everyone forgets what happened.

[WeAreNotGentlemen]

I would disagree. Should English people avoid English flags because more and more they're associated with fascists? Seems silly to forever lump a simple shape with an ideology. Not doing so doesn't mean everyone forgets what happened.

I don't know. This seems like a special case. I don't believe there should be special cases, but it's a lot like 666, which will forever be associated with devil-worshiping 'bad guys" even though it shouldn't be. One group of people goes and uses a symbol and ruins it for the rest of us for a really long time. Eventually we'll get to the point where people are so afraid of conflict no one will ever do anything haha. I do agree with you but I didn't think and I worded my response earlier incorrectly. I think the negative parts shouldn't ruin the Swastika, but they also shouldn't be forgotten.

[FELINEGUITARS]

http://youtu.be/OpZ8EkK3eWY

Love it!

[JDC]

Recently topman emailed me to inform about the Hawaiian shirts they have in stock for an apparent trend, I think these slayer shirts are an improvement

[Elliot]

What film was that? I'd quite like to see it, although in my head it features lots of upper middle class boys with dirty dreadlocks sitting around on the floor in puddles of zeppelin cider pilling to high heaven while trying to talk about the merits of bumbags and courier bikes. Did Crass ever make ANY merch? People tell me they didn't, but I've seen people wearing Crass shirts.

Even I am too young to have seen Crass - but I knew loads of people when I was a teen in the late 80s who were about in the Crass period and none of them were 90s style Crustafarians who came with bands like Citizen Fish - the ones I knew were relatively lower middle class old punks or hippyish squatter types.