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50w vs 100w Dilemma! Advice on Jet City?
« on: July 06, 2012, 01:20:40 PM »
Hi all,

I'm about to buy a new Jet City amp, and I can get the 50w 2x12 combo for £350, or the 100w Head for £280, or the 50w Head for £250. But for the heads I'd have to buy a cab which could rench it up out of my price range.

How loud would the 50w combo be, and would it be suitable for gigging in pubs, clubs and venues?
« Last Edit: July 06, 2012, 08:49:54 PM by eighteen-0-nine »

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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2012, 01:34:05 PM »
there's actually not much difference in volume between a 50w and 100w, the difference is in headroom, how loud the amp can go before the power section breaks up into overdrive. with a 100w this is later so therefore  more clean volume, with a 50w this is earlier, so less clean volume.

A 50W head is probably way more than needed for pubs, as for clubs and venues, depends on the size of venue

bear in mind a lot of rock guys back used to use 50W heads over 100w heads for that very reason of earlier breakup. these days we have master volume amps and the current "in" thing seems to be daft amounts of preamp gain.

I like a healthy combo of both. however the thing with power amp breakup is there's a speaker interaction element as well. so cranking your amp with an attenuator will not yield the same results as cranking your amp without.

i would say if you need clean tones, at a pub level and small - medium club venue, 50W is still more than enough because mostly these days things are miked or Di'd direct to a mixing desk so the sound dude can carefully ensure he doesn't break the local councils decibel limits...

Could always get a lower wattage combo, they also are an "in" thing these days, low wattage rock amps.

last thing, with the amp your choosing a lot of people would say it's higher end brothers are voiced differently between 50 and 100w, 50 being more classic. don't hear it myself

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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2012, 01:51:03 PM »
good points about the lower wattage amps. You can crank them better and loud enough for pub gigs, saw an amazing oasis cover band the other day and the 'Gem/Bonehead' was using a 15W blues junior with volume to not even half way and that thing sounded amazing and easily cut through over loud marshall stack bass cab, drums and another guitarist. For pub gigs I'd aim for 15-30W and for bigger venues mic it up.
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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2012, 02:07:42 PM »
Thanks for the Advice :)

Would the combo be sufficiant though, compared to a separate head and cab?

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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2012, 02:12:17 PM »
depends on what you end up going for. If you go the lower wattage route, then a combo would be fine.

If you go the 50W 2x12 route the combos can get big and heavy very fast. i find a separate head and speakers, while weighing more in total, easier to handle individually. and a lot of times venues have some form of backline, even if it's just a f*cked up scuffed old 4/2x12. in that case all you need to do is take the head. you can also get low wattage heads voiced for high gain rock these days too.

Whether it's a combo or head and cab makes no odds to the volume, it does to the projection, but by and large, miking up tends to eliminate projection issues anyway, because the sound engineers sticking it thru the PA
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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2012, 02:15:55 PM »
Well the 50w Head is £250 an the combo £350. Can I get a good 2x12 for £100? If so, any advice or suggestions?

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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2012, 02:25:35 PM »
You'll struggle to get a new 2x12 for £100, but used you might just make it.  The trouble is, two used 12" Celestion speakers will cost £100 on their own.

Personally, I'd get the 50w head and save up a bit more cash to get a decent 2x12.

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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2012, 02:26:52 PM »
buy the combo, you won't get a decent 2x12 cab unless someone's about to get the bailiffs around and wants to get rid sharpish. Only problem with combos is the weight and difficulty in transporting/
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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2012, 03:40:10 PM »
But would a 50w combo sound the same as a 50w head with a 2x12 cab? To say it's the same amp, that is.

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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2012, 03:59:08 PM »
A 50W amp is cheaper to revalve too.

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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2012, 04:03:46 PM »
But would a 50w combo sound the same as a 50w head with a 2x12 cab? To say it's the same amp, that is.

not different enough that you'd notice. depends on whether its open or closed back. best thing to do is try both setups

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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2012, 04:07:39 PM »
Another thing I'm worried about is price. I'm buying from Thomann and they are really cheap. For example, Thomann sell the 100w head for £280, but here in the UK, theyre £499.

Anyone got any advice about this?

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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2012, 04:14:27 PM »
is that £280 inc shipping? if not, you might find that price increases dramatically

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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2012, 06:57:25 PM »
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Re: 50w vs 100w Dilemma!
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2012, 08:03:25 PM »
Out of those choices, I'd personally go for a 50W combo. I gigged with a 50W 1X12 combo for years. Even at 50W though, it was way too loud for most of the pubs/clubs we played. If I was about to start gigging I'd personally be looking at 18W (I don't crave too much crystal clean headroom though :lol:).

I'd agree with the weight thing, though. I have a bad back now - possibly due to that amp :lol:
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