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Nitwit

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As title. I originally had my eye on a Gibson Les Paul Traditional with Slimtaper neck and a Teaburst Flame maple top, for well over 6 months now. And I think it's time to finally acquire myself a genuine Gibson.
But after contacting the dealer it turned out the descirption and picture of said guitar was wrong, and it was sadly a "normal" maple top. I'm a sucker for flame tops, I like the flash.
And as such my search continued, and I remembered, didn't Gibson come out with a 2012 Standard earlier this year? That had a 60's neck and Flame Maple Top? And why yes they did. So since I'm a newborn BKP fan. My god these pickups are awesome. And as you fellas are generally really knowledgable and helpfull people, I thought I'd ask you guys.
Partially because I'm not a huge fan of the Burstbuckers and might change em, to BKPs ofcourse, altough I haven't tried em in that particular guitar yet, the drive is currently way too long, and I want some opinions on it before I do that.

So, have any of you tried the 2012 Standard? It looks stunning, but how does it feel?
And yes, I know I should go and try one to get a feel for myself, but as I currently only own and play, what people would refer to as low to mid range quality guitars, I really have no idea what a high quality guitar should feel like, I'm not all that good of a player yet. But I think of the Guitar as an investment.

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2012, 08:51:54 PM »
I'd like to get myself a proper LP one day, but I have to say I just don't give a damn about flamed tops, and that's an understatement - my dream LP is just plain black (with cream pickguard and binding) and chrome (or even better nickel). Just a regular guitar meant to be played. Oh, and I just don't care if there's a proper Gibson logo on it as long as it plays fine, sounds fine and doesn't cost one arm and two legs...

While we're at it, the best LP I ever played was not a gibbie... OTHO my SG is a gibbie and it's just great  despite not being from the approved collectable period.

Just my two cents since you asked for it, now let the real LP guys chime in :mrgreen:

 
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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2012, 09:57:49 PM »
I love gibsons! The les Paul standard plays great but the sound lacks (I blame burstbuckers). If you are willing to give up aesthetics and a few minor details the LP Studio is absolutely amazing for the money. I love mine, great woods, great sustain and stays in tune really nicely. The bridge pickup isn't too shabby either (BKPs destroy it though).
Also take a look at the carvin CS-6. Absolutely beautiful, fast playing guitar custom built in the USA for the same price as the gibby. Having played one, it's high up on my GAS list. Anyway, they are all great options.

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2012, 09:59:31 PM »
Get yourself a Japanese Tokai LP and you have some money left for installing BKP's.
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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2012, 10:18:06 PM »
Usually I'm not so caught up in brands myself. But I do want something genuine for a change, I got a LP copy, strat copy(altough that one is from like the 60's so it's awesome) and some copys of other copys.
As for flame tops, well, there are exceptions. I'd love a pure white LP one day. But for translucent finishes I very much prefer something with abit more detail in it.
And I really don't wanna get a guitar I don't like the look of. If it didn't matter I'd just get one of them 1960 Traditional models, they'd be quite abit cheaper too.

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2012, 10:52:12 PM »
Get yourself a Japanese Tokai LP and you have some money left for installing BKP's.

Yeah, as pointed out in my post, I want something genuine for a change, not saying Tokai is bad, think that old strat I mentioned above is a Tokai, or an Akai, atleast that's what the guy I got it from told me. Ofcourse, he removed the decal many, many years ago so I got no idea how to tell. Not particular playable guitar at the moment though, needs a tuneup. Mostly just the string action beeing too high and the nut is totally shot. Neck looks straight and nice but the string buzz is horrible on the upper frets, I blame that on the nut though. And I'm rambling again.
As for saving money for BKPs, I get a decent monthly paycheck, and got no problems waiting a month with getting some BKPs for the Les Paul. So whether it's a Gibson or a Tokai doesn't matter in that particular department.
BKPs are not that expensive, thankfully.

I love gibsons! The les Paul standard plays great but the sound lacks (I blame burstbuckers). If you are willing to give up aesthetics and a few minor details the LP Studio is absolutely amazing for the money. I love mine, great woods, great sustain and stays in tune really nicely. The bridge pickup isn't too shabby either (BKPs destroy it though).
Also take a look at the carvin CS-6. Absolutely beautiful, fast playing guitar custom built in the USA for the same price as the gibby. Having played one, it's high up on my GAS list. Anyway, they are all great options.

Cheers for your thoughts. I too would blame the burstbuckers, as noted earlier I'm not a big fan of them. Then there's the weight relief which I've heard nothing but bad things about, but I chose to believe it's all personal preference, and don't make a bad influence on the sound. But as said, if I hate the Pickups if/when I get that Guitar, and it feels and plays nice, I will change them for BKPs. So the sound from a pickup point of view isn't really that important to me. That is my opinion on all guitars, they may sound like shite, but if they play like I'm stroking a womans thigh. Arousing and delightfull. Then I'm happy, very happy.
I've looked at Studios aswell, and sadly, no flame maple top, which is sorta essential, or I'd go with the Traditional which strangely is pretty much the same price as the Studio (Over here). About 160 of your dollars difference or roughly 100 pounds, trad got abit more flash ofcourse.
As for the Carvin, it may be good, but no retailers that carry that brand over here, so shipping and import fees are gonna ruin me. And I do not, in any way trust any airline with the handling of my Guitar. I'd barely trust em with getting a pair of pants shipped in one piece.

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2012, 11:14:48 PM »
I personally like the weight relief/chambering in my LP Studio.
Great for my back in gigs, help the guitar resonate, absolutely no tonal difference and even if it does cut a bit of sustain there's already loads and it's hardly noticeable or needed. The people complaining about are just purists who don't like change IMO.

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2012, 12:22:28 AM »
I'm pretty sure in all 2012 Gibson's, they use 2 piece fingerboards. Not sure if that's a red flag for you or not, but it's something you should know.

And as far as the Standard itself, it really just matters what kind of LP you're after. If you want alot of bells and whistles such as the chambering, coil splitting, etc, go for the Standard. If you just want a straight up, no b.s. LP and something that is close to a 1959, get a Standard Plus. I have one, great guitar.

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2012, 01:46:28 AM »
I'm pretty sure in all 2012 Gibson's, they use 2 piece fingerboards. Not sure if that's a red flag for you or not, but it's something you should know.

And as far as the Standard itself, it really just matters what kind of LP you're after. If you want alot of bells and whistles such as the chambering, coil splitting, etc, go for the Standard. If you just want a straight up, no b.s. LP and something that is close to a 1959, get a Standard Plus. I have one, great guitar.

Well what draws me towards the new Standard is as forementioned alot of times the Flame maple top. And, the Slim Taper neck profile. Other than that, I'm not picky.
Coil splits I don't have any opinion of one way or the other. However, I will say that I like Les Pauls with a Humbucker sound, so I won't use coil splits alot =p
Chambering, don't have any preference on this either, I believe it may have its good and bad sides either way.
2 piece fingerboard? Meh, no biggie, won't hear a difference, and won't see it either, unless you go lookin'.
Now I googled Standard Plus, and well. Are we talking the '08 Standard Plus here?  Also, if so. I assume it doesn't have the SlimTaper neck?
I really didn't come up with anything. And well, it's not a Guitar I've seen anywhere available in my country either. So actually getting my hands on one might be abit tricky. As I already noted, I don't trust shipping, nor can justify the  cost of insurance to cover it in the event of disaster.

Also, from what I can see the new Standard is currently listed cheaper (atleast on Gibsons site) than the regular 08 Standard.

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2012, 03:06:45 AM »
I'm sorry, I had a typo there. If the Standard isn't your thing, the Traditional Plus is what you should look for. Sorry.

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2012, 03:21:28 AM »
Why don't you have a look at one of our custom Lion models that are already built - they come with BKPs already installed , and we're happy to swap to a bucker of choice if you want a different flavour

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2012, 03:58:17 AM »
No doubt beatifull guitars there, but I'm afraid it's a tad above my price range. While the price itself ain't that bad for a "custom". I gotta pay a whoppin' 25% tax on imported stuff. Which puts it way up there on the "A man can dream" list.

I'm sorry, I had a typo there. If the Standard isn't your thing, the Traditional Plus is what you should look for. Sorry.

Ah yes the Trad Plus. Heh, it's non existent. I've looked everywhere for that thing with a slimtaper, save eBay. Really can't trace one up whatsoever.
Now, I got no issue with the new standard, it's exactly what I'm looking for on paper. But could use some non biased thoughts on it.
While yes, it does have stuff I don't need. It doesn't have stuff I don't want either. Don't have to use the coil taps if I don't wanna =p

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2012, 04:12:58 AM »
Out of curiosity though, how does the Trad Pro play. Can you compare it with the 2012 Standard?

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2012, 06:13:20 AM »
My 2 cents, buy second hand, current retail on a LP standard in the UK is £2K, and i saw guitarists review for the 2012 Strat standard which has pegged the price at £1400. I'm nearly certain these were coming in around the thousand mark as recently as 2 years ago. maybe they incremented the price up gradually and i just didn't notice, as opposed to Gibsons ridiculous price hike of a few years back, but i just don't think either of these guitars is worth that much money.. not new. no. And yes i'm going to pick at gibsons quality control, but am STILL seeing inlays with mucho filler, bad binding jobs etc etc.

buy second hand, save money. I know you want to buy the real deal, but it genuinely doesn't mean a better sound.

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Re: Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2012, 09:24:02 AM »
Where do you live? Feline guitars are in london so you won't have to pay import fees if you live in England. And if you live in America.... Carvin are based there so again, you won't have to pay import fees.
Anyway, ive actually also found Gibson quality control to be rather good apart from one grounding issue.