Need a new axe! Got my eye on a Gibson LP 2012 Standard, Opinions?

[Nitwit]

I've got my feelers out for something 2nd hand aswell. Nothing of interest has popped up, nothing but the 50's rounded neck profile that is.

Also. Oh, thought I noted my particular location earlier.
I happen to be Norwegian.

And it's not as much fee as a tax really, and then a tax on that tax, seriously.

[FELINEGUITARS]

Ah - yes - Norway is outside the EEC and does suffer with taxes on imported goods - that 's a real shame.

[blue]

have you tried a 50's rounded neck?  before i bought my first Les Paul, i always assumed i would prefer the slim 60's neck, but when i tried the two together i much preferred the 50's neck.  unless you get one of the '58 reissues, it's not a huge neck.

[Nitwit]

Yeah, the difference ain't huge, but I feel it's easier to grip and faster to play a slimmer neck, short fingers and whatnot.
Might try both back to back, when I do take a stroll down for a purchase.

[gwEm]

I tried a Les Paul Classic belonging to PhilKing, and that had a thin neck - it was verging on shred-tastic (not a word I realise). You can sometimes see them quite cheap 2nd hand and they have quite nice finishes.

[TheyCallMeVolume]

If you want an opinion on a LP Standard, I'd would sum it up by saying it's not the LP everyone knows and loves. It just has too many things different, and the weight relieving really takes away from the "LP-ness" in my book. I'd rather go find, for example, a Trad that has a low weight. Also, if you do go Gibson, you need to try alot of them out. Their QC is down the drain, so maybe 1 or 2 out of every 10 are worth owning. Faulty hardware and electronics, poor fretting, binding, finishing, etc. are all problems Gibson has right now.

[Nitwit]

Awww, well. Sadly there's no big warehouse of Guitars anywhere around here, so trying out alot of them is gonna be hard, they pretty much only got one guitar of any type in the shop, and the rest are packed away in a storage somewhere.
But I'll make some calls around and see how willing they are to pack up a few extras.
Thus far on the list I got the New standard and the Classic Plus I'd like to try out. While the Classic Plus I can find may only have the 50's rounded neck, atleast I'll get to compare em.

[TheyCallMeVolume]

Are you worried about big necks?

[itamar101]

If you want an opinion on a LP Standard, I'd would sum it up by saying it's not the LP everyone knows and loves. It just has too many things different, and the weight relieving really takes away from the "LP-ness" in my book. I'd rather go find, for example, a Trad that has a low weight. Also, if you do go Gibson, you need to try alot of them out. Their QC is down the drain, so maybe 1 or 2 out of every 10 are worth owning. Faulty hardware and electronics, poor fretting, binding, finishing, etc. are all problems Gibson has right now.

2 out of 10! That's a bit if an overstatement. I have owned multiple gibsons and the QC has always been almost flawless. Only really minor flaws occasionally... I would say 2 out of 3 are worth owning.

[Nitwit]

I find my short stubby fingers don't typically agree with them. But I've played some big necks I like too though. I'm open, but really gotta compare them next to eachother in the end regardless. Which is why I listed the Classic.

2 out of 10! That's a bit if an overstatement. I have owned multiple gibsons and the QC has always been almost flawless. Only really minor flaws occasionally... I would say 2 out of 3 are worth owning.

Define minor please =p

[itamar101]

I find my short stubby fingers don't typically agree with them. But I've played some big necks I like too though. I'm open, but really gotta compare them next to eachother in the end regardless. Which is why I listed the Classic.

2 out of 10! That's a bit if an overstatement. I have owned multiple gibsons and the QC has always been almost flawless. Only really minor flaws occasionally... I would say 2 out of 3 are worth owning.

Define minor please =p

An occasional ding on the headstock (could be the shops fault) or poorly set up or whatnot. Really nothing that should really bother anyone.

[Nitwit]

Minor dings doesn't bother me at all.  :D

[TheyCallMeVolume]

If you want an opinion on a LP Standard, I'd would sum it up by saying it's not the LP everyone knows and loves. It just has too many things different, and the weight relieving really takes away from the "LP-ness" in my book. I'd rather go find, for example, a Trad that has a low weight. Also, if you do go Gibson, you need to try alot of them out. Their QC is down the drain, so maybe 1 or 2 out of every 10 are worth owning. Faulty hardware and electronics, poor fretting, binding, finishing, etc. are all problems Gibson has right now.

2 out of 10! That's a bit if an overstatement. I have owned multiple gibsons and the QC has always been almost flawless. Only really minor flaws occasionally... I would say 2 out of 3 are worth owning.

Have you ever closely looked for the imperfections? There's always something there nowadays with the guitars they make. Granted most of the time it has nothing to do with the guitar's sound or playability, but I personally just don't want my guitar having cr@ppy binding, or sloppy fret work. I think it shows that Gibson does not care about the quality of instrument their customer is getting, that they rush guitars out so they make more profit. That might be acceptable to some, but I certainly don't.

[Philly Q]

I thought Gibson were using the Plek machine for setups now, although I'm not sure if that applies to all US models?

I agree that their quality control isn't as good as, say, PRS or even Fender, but I think they're better than they were back in the '90s.  They always have that thing where you can feel a bit of a "ridge" along the edge of the binding, but it's never bothered me.

That said, the last few Gibsons I've actually bought have been Custom Shop ones (I don't mean that to sound like I'm Richie Rich!  :lol:  ) so I haven't actually tried many recent production models.

[BigB]

Also, if you do go Gibson, you need to try alot of them out. Their QC is down the drain, so maybe 1 or 2 out of every 10 are worth owning. Faulty hardware and electronics, poor fretting, binding, finishing, etc. are all problems Gibson has right now.

2 out of 10! That's a bit if an overstatement. I have owned multiple gibsons and the QC has always been almost flawless. Only really minor flaws occasionally... I would say 2 out of 3 are worth owning.

Don't know if it has anything to do with the country, but here in France 2 out of 10 is already quite optimistic for recent builds - about 9 out of 10 of the new Gibbies I played these past 3 years either had a major flaw or was just a plain lemon, and only two were really great. One of them was a 2500€ custom shop SG (great but still slightly overpriced IMHO), and the other,  surprisingly, is a friend's 2008 Trad Gold Top - but it's probably more of an (happy) accident than anything else as none of the other trads I tried comes close to it.

@OP : I don't know what the second hand market is like in your country, but so far the best "bang for the bucks" (if you're a player I mean) gibbies I met were norlinn area ones - they do have a bad rep and can indeed be pretty bad so never (and I really mean never) buy one without trying it first, but there are a few hidden gems that you can get for a very decent price (1000€ or less).

My (other) 2 cents...