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Afghan Dave

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Poly vs Nitro
« on: August 04, 2012, 07:58:18 PM »
I know all the pros and cons regarding tone but I just LOVE the feel of nitro...  so much more tactile.

Like sex without a condom.  :lol:
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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2012, 08:20:18 PM »
I agree, but I don't think the difference is quite so much as sex with/without condom  :)

Don't mind poly finishes at all, but I can't accept a poly finish on a maple fretboard.
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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2012, 08:24:15 PM »
Touch the wood... fell the wood.

Don't wrap it in plastic.
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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2012, 08:40:14 PM »
Nitro all the way... I don't mind poly but nitro wins in every department.
I wish more brands still used nitro, I have lots of respect for Gibson for sticking with it.

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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2012, 10:50:49 PM »
depends on the asthetic of the guitar, i want a strat and paul to age and wear ( which none of the current ones will do) i don't want something pointy to have finish checking in 20 years.

I think guitars with poly could stand to have it applied less thickly though..

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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2012, 10:54:04 PM »
I like nitro finishes too.

But I think it's probably most important to have a thin finish.
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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2012, 11:23:02 PM »
depends on the asthetic of the guitar, i want a strat and paul to age and wear ( which none of the current ones will do) i don't want something pointy to have finish checking in 20 years.

I think guitars with poly could stand to have it applied less thickly though..

I agree 100%. Classic shaped guitars actually look better with some nitro wear. RGs and the like, not so much. And I agree with thin finishes being crucial. I've got a couple of strats with thick finish, and had at least to sand the necks to bare wood to feel somewhat connected to the instrument.
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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2012, 02:53:15 AM »
And the smell of nitro.....oh, that sweet vanilla scent.

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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2012, 12:05:58 PM »
From a tonal perspective I really think that tone factor is a total myth and it just needs to be a well-done paint job. Really, in so many ways Nitro finishes are just a pain in the ...

If we really were after all that "it sounds better", we should all be playing unfinished guitars.
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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2012, 02:19:42 PM »
Nitro all the way for me, although the new hybrid PRS V12 finish is pretty nice.  I'd like to try that matt urethane finish Feline had on a guitar recently too...

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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2012, 02:24:56 PM »
Nitro all the way for me, although the new hybrid PRS V12 finish is pretty nice. 

I've noticed that the V12 finish actually sinks into the grain a little, though nowhere near as much as a typical Gibson nitro finish.  A bit of a departure from the traditional "perfect" glossy PRS finishes.

I don't know if that's due to the nature of the finish itself, or just because it's very very thin?
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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2012, 03:56:48 PM »
I know what you guys mean about thin finishes, but you might actually be surprised what finishes you are actually playing thinking that it is nitro cellulose.

You are often playing polyurethane and thinking cellulose, or a guitar with a polyester base coat with a thin layer of polyurethane or even cellulose over the top

My own real world experiences with nitro finishes tell me that:
Real nitro takes so long to harden that it is impractical to use, especially without any harder base coat or chemical hardener in it. (Gibson used to have the guitars up in the air in the factory roof space for a year waiting for the paint to be hard enough to flat and polish.)
Nitro is also easily spoilt by contact with rubber such as on guitar stands - we see this damage frequently.
Nitro also feels sticky and is the reason some folks don't like painted necks.
Nitro reacts with sweat and a build up of finish that will crumble results.

Some people get all misty eyed when discussing nitro finishes and repeat what they have read on the web rather than only basing it on personal experience.

However I often use an acid catalysed cellulose which is really nice on necks and fingerboards, but it's not "proper" nitro in a purist's eyes.
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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2012, 04:59:27 PM »
Good points Jon.  I must admit, whatever PRS use and call their 'nitro' is my favourite modern finish.  The rubber cr@p that Gibson use is truly awful.

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Re: Poly vs Nitro
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2012, 06:21:24 PM »


Some people get all misty eyed when discussing nitro finishes and repeat what they have read on the web rather than only basing it on personal experience.

However I often use an acid catalysed cellulose which is really nice on necks and fingerboards, but it's not "proper" nitro in a purist's eyes.


You're right about the nostalgia trips on Nitro, it does and did have it's drawbacks, and my experience of it has been on old and well played guitars, so not so much where it starts but where a nitro finished guitar ends up after enough years. I like how it ages and wears away. and am sure the sound of the guitars has more to do with the interaction of the wood ageing, mellowing of the magnets etc etc than a finish. And not all old guitars (fender/gibson/anyone) sound good from the supposed golden ages.

Am sure poly guitar finishes when applied well will not "mute" the wood (there's still a lot of myth surrounding this), EVH swears by leaving the inside of the PU and control cavities on the current wolfgangs bare because it allows the wood to breathe (skeptical). But i can well believe less finish = more resonance.

I really like the idea of oil finished guitars like the charvels, I REALLY like unfinished necks, like REEAALLY. the axis and wolfgang necks are amazing, and any old strat where the finish has worn away from the neck.

The acid catalysed celluose sounds really interesting. Do the purists have an objection because it supposedly sounds deifferent? or because it isn't exactly what was used? To my mind, if it sounds the same, and ages the same then there's not an issue.