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richardjmorgan

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Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« on: August 06, 2012, 11:49:55 AM »
Here's the situation – I'm after a pedal which will allow me to get a similar noise to these Baroness solos out of my guitar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eH13VblQfI&feature=player_detailpage#t=187s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUkv3nbmk3Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=50s

(It also kind of reminds me of the guitar solo sound from "Thunderchild" on the War of the Worlds album)

I'm pretty sure I'm right in thinking it's some sort of fuzz, but having done a bit of reading up, it seems there is an insane variety of fuzz out there, and I'm feeling a bit out of my depth. The MXR Blue Box is quite appealing, and sounds in the right ballpark, but I've read of issues with the volume dropping when engaged.

A couple of other considerations:

• I'd rather not spend crazy money, as I've kind of got this sound in mind for a particular solo in one of my band's songs, so it's not something I'll be using a massive amount.

• Do I need to take into account the fact that I'll want it to play nicely with my standard live rig sound? It's pretty gainy anyway (Gibson V into a 5150) and it seems most fuzzes are intended for use in front of a clean amp.

Anyway, if anyone thinks they can offer any help/suggestions with this, would be much appreciated.

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2012, 02:36:05 PM »
Elements definitely sound fuzzy, don't think it's a muff ad there's not enough low end and it's sounds quite open. Mind you, some muffs have quite a powerful tone control and with a rolled off gain, it's conceivable you could achieve that. I think a RAT would get you there, can be muffy if you want it to or fuzzy facey, covers a lot of ground if used right.

while i was typing that i googled him and found this

http://www.uberproaudio.com/who-plays-what/823-baroness-john-baizley-guitar-rig-gear-and-equipment

Looks like the muff is the main distorto box as it's the only one thats named. Looks like it's a copy of Triangle muff (the original version from the early 70's). I you want something faithful, Stomp under foot do an excellent version for very reasonable price. A lot of the other boutique options start to get pricey. It's a shame ronsound isn't still about.. Charged virtually nothing for a hand built pedal that was as close to the real thing as it got, warts and all. I'll never sell my ram clone he made.

I still think the RAT if you want to cover a lot of ground. would go for a clone of an older one rather than a current RAT 2 though

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2012, 04:40:41 PM »
Apparently they're using this... http://www.sanfordandsonny.com/index.html

It's also apparently a green-Russian Big Muff clone too.


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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2012, 04:47:41 PM »
Muffs can be MASSIVELY varied it tone just by swapping parts around. I reckon I've done a couple that could do that sort of thick stoner muff fuzz. Though I'd also add the Roland Bee Baa and clones thereof, that does a brilliant nasty, though still well defined fuzz. Really suits that sort of material.
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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2012, 07:14:55 PM »
Bayzley uses a Blackout Effectors Twosome. it's a beast of a dual fuzz with all the sound you may want from a Muff on one side, and all the sound you may want from a FuzzFace from the other side. I had it and it's insane.

The solos of the first post are clearly done on the Fix'd Fuzz side.

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2012, 07:25:24 PM »
Wow, thanks for all the help guys! Having looked through everything, it seems to my ears like the Stomp Under Foot Son of a Bee (based on the Bee Baa) and the Blackout Fix'd/Twosome would get me closest to the sort of sound I'm after here (this is the point where someone will probably have to slowly and patiently explain to me that the two sound nothing alike).

Are there any cheaper, and/or UK-based alternatives that'll get me into similar territory? I'm not currently really in a position to fork out an arm and a leg for a pedal at the moment (particularly one I'm currently only planning on using maybe once or twice per set), then spend another limb getting it over the Atlantic.

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 07:51:39 PM »
Wow, thanks for all the help guys! Having looked through everything, it seems to my ears like the Stomp Under Foot Son of a Bee (based on the Bee Baa) and the Blackout Fix'd/Twosome would get me closest to the sort of sound I'm after here (this is the point where someone will probably have to slowly and patiently explain to me that the two sound nothing alike).

Are there any cheaper, and/or UK-based alternatives that'll get me into similar territory? I'm not currently really in a position to fork out an arm and a leg for a pedal at the moment (particularly one I'm currently only planning on using maybe once or twice per set), then spend another limb getting it over the Atlantic.



The Twosome is on sale in the UK, and doesn't cost that much thinkin it's two pedals. The one used on the solo is the Fix'd side, so you can think buying just that in single pedal version.

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 09:05:37 PM »
Boutiquey options are great, i should know, I've got enough of them.. however, if you're not wanting to blow a wad, which is fair enough, get down to your local music store, line up a RAT, a fuzzface (dunlop is fine) and a current issue muff (which are quite well regarded).

Set the fuzz face up for a sound you like, ditto the muff.

Then tried to emulate the sounds with a rat.

There's a trick to this, treat the rat as a pedal with 2 distinct stages. Stage one is up to 2 o'clock on the gain knob. for e 2 oclock is where the compression happens. so before that it can sound loose and open. manipulate the (possibly most powerful tone control in the industry) until it sounds like the fuzz face or close.

After 2 o'clock it can compress and sustain drastically to the point where it sounds like a completely different pedal. set up the Muff (sustainy compressed fuzz) for a sound you like, get the gain in the right ballpark and manipulate the tone control again.

I swear you can get close as dammit for your audiences ears and for you as well. The RAT is massively overlooked as being a one trick pony. it really ain't. It's an extremely versatile pedal. just have to know how to make it do what you want. and like it's real world counterpart, they're everywhere and cost 60 quid.

One other thing, just my take on how the best way to run a fuzz works. either high gain on the pedal (i prefer just where compression kicks in because i like an open sound) into an amp on our just slightlly past the point of break up (power amp is best, but you can get good results with preamp grit), or as a booster with the roles basically reversed, pedal with the volume up high and the girt starting to come in from the gain control (or more, adjust to taste) and high gain on the amp.

I never thought fuzz pedals sound good into a clean channel, the sound fizzy and thin, i think they need to be interacting with a hot clipped signal in the amp itself.

There is the case of Gilmour. But he is the Gilmour an we can't sound like him anyway.. however in his case the muff is running into a butler tubedriver for tonal colouring and on into a hiwatt which has mighty amounts of headroom. so while in theory it is running into a clean amp, it's actually running into a cooking powersection which gives rise to the smooth almighty tones. That and his fingers are playing it. this also helps.

here's a couple of great gig rig vids. there's fuzz and include the OD vid as the rat appears in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXJTUBFzZnM&list=UUfms3m2s7MsFs53dVmiw0zw&index=3&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdHANxGipVs&list=UUfms3m2s7MsFs53dVmiw0zw&index=4&feature=plcp

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2012, 12:12:17 AM »
I've got a S&S Bluebeard on order that should be here by the end of the month-ish  8)
« Last Edit: August 07, 2012, 12:15:28 AM by Lew »

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2012, 07:26:15 AM »
I will have a spare Buzzsaw (Bee Baa clone) available by the end of the month (in fact, all being well there'll be a few pedals in seconds out as I've decided to use up a load of surplus PCBs). Also I could make you an Ultra Stoner (based on a Skreddy ? Lady with a mids control) which is a particularly thick muff fuzz. Neither will have battery provision however. They'd need a Boss style 9v supply.

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2012, 09:29:13 AM »
One more thing that occurs to me that may be relevant: the main guitar I'd be looking to use this with has an EMG *waits for everyone to stop throwing things* 81 & 85 in it. Preliminary looking round on the internets seems to suggest these aren't particularly fuzz-friendly pickups. Should this be influencing the sort of pedals I'm looking at?

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2012, 12:43:34 PM »
One more thing that occurs to me that may be relevant: the main guitar I'd be looking to use this with has an EMG *waits for everyone to stop throwing things* 81 & 85 in it. Preliminary looking round on the internets seems to suggest these aren't particularly fuzz-friendly pickups. Should this be influencing the sort of pedals I'm looking at?

It's not the pickups not being fuzz friendly, its the pedals not being buffer friendly.  EMGs won't work well with a fuzz face or a tonebender, as they need to "see" the pickup directly, and the EMG is effectively a pickup followed by a buffer.  These 1960s designed pedals also dont work well after other pedals either.

Any muff derived pedals are fine, I'll check the Bee Baa later and report back.

Update:  Bee Baa works with EMGs.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 12:01:57 PM by marauder »

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2012, 12:42:05 PM »
Any muff derived pedals are fine, I'll check the Bee Baa later and report back.

Update:  Bee Baa works with EMGs.
Well this is tremendous news. Thanks for taking the time to check!

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2012, 12:48:33 PM »
I will have a spare Buzzsaw (Bee Baa clone) available by the end of the month (in fact, all being well there'll be a few pedals in seconds out as I've decided to use up a load of surplus PCBs). Also I could make you an Ultra Stoner (based on a Skreddy ? Lady with a mids control) which is a particularly thick muff fuzz. Neither will have battery provision however. They'd need a Boss style 9v supply.

Pics of the sort of things I do are on my site linked in my sig.
Wow, you've been a busy man! Lack of battery space isn't an issue as I run all my pedals off a power supply anyway. Having had a listen to various clips and videos, it sounds like the Bee Baa is more the sort of thing I'm after. How much would you be looking for for the Buzzsaw?

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Re: Fuzz pedals/how do I make this noise?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2012, 09:07:03 AM »
You have PM. Should have that one done next weekend if you're interested.
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