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What guitar for lead?
« on: December 15, 2012, 06:55:14 PM »
So am toying with the idea of maybe getting a guitar that will be my guitar for primarily 'lead' playing. So im after something with 24 frets, great access to the high frets, and most importantly, that plays fast as lightning. My budget isnt huge so something that i can upgrade over time would be great (or get 2nd hand), but i would rather not have a basswood body guitar. Any recomendations? thanks!

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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 07:01:04 PM »
Mahogany bodied ibanez S?
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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2012, 07:28:04 PM »
Cheers man, are all the S models as fast as each other?

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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2012, 08:19:00 PM »
I'm no shredstick expert, but when it comes to something like this, I would go through a company like Warmoth and really pick what I want in the guitar when it comes to neck, body type and shape, etc.

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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2012, 08:32:31 PM »
I highly recommend the Ibanez RGA42FM if you can find one. If not the standad 42 and even the 32 is petty nice that you can probably grab for around £200 on ebay
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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 08:39:06 PM »
I'd look for a used Jackson if I was you. Most of those have an Alder body which sounds ballsy and strong in the mids and highs yet not shrill and play lightning fast, especially for leads. If you can grab an older model (love the 2010 DK2M my bassist owns) you won't be dissapointed :)

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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 08:58:04 PM »
Cheers guys-will look Warmoth and Ibanez then, thanks for the model info Toe-knee; GuitarIv, all the Jacksons i have played (which i admit havent been THAT many) have quite wide fretboards, so i guess i wouldnt immediately associate them with fast fingerboards? maybe im wrong...

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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2012, 09:08:40 PM »
Cheers guys-will look Warmoth and Ibanez then, thanks for the model info Toe-knee; GuitarIv, all the Jacksons i have played (which i admit havent been THAT many) have quite wide fretboards, so i guess i wouldnt immediately associate them with fast fingerboards? maybe im wrong...

THe fretboards on Ibanez are quite flat and wide but the necks are really thin which really helps with the speed as does the 16" radius on the fretboard.

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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2012, 11:00:24 PM »
Cheers guys-will look Warmoth and Ibanez then, thanks for the model info Toe-knee; GuitarIv, all the Jacksons i have played (which i admit havent been THAT many) have quite wide fretboards, so i guess i wouldnt immediately associate them with fast fingerboards? maybe im wrong...

THe fretboards on Ibanez are quite flat and wide but the necks are really thin which really helps with the speed as does the 16" radius on the fretboard.



Same with the Jackson Fretboards. Some models have fatter neck profiles, but if you find one with a thin neck it will be fast as hell. 16" radius and wide necks are common on Jacksons, however I always find those necks, as longs as they are thin, really good for leads, especially sweep picking. I own a cheap Ibanez RG 350, the radius is 14", the fretboard is pretty wide and the neck itself is thin and great for soloing, so just as Toe-Knee pointed out you should like those.

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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2012, 12:20:24 AM »
Cant go wrong with ESP, Jackson or Ibanez dude. I PERSONALLY dont like Ibanez though but needless to say there are incredible guitarists that do get on with them!

I have an ESP LTD M1000 and an ESP George Lynch Skulls and Snakes.  I love the M1000 think you can pick up up for around £700 new but if you checked ebay you could get them for 'peanuts'.  The bridge is pretty much as good as a top floys rose and it comes with EMG 81's.

Even if you look at guitars 'lower' in the ESP M range than te M1000 youll find theyre quality.

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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2012, 02:09:18 AM »
It is quite an interresting thing. What I will be going at is: It is really a matter of personal preferance, so try it all out and see what you think plays fast!!
Also I wanne apologize for the wall of text...


Thing is that I own a handfull of guitars, but I am gonna focus on 3 here: A Ibanez S series, a Dean Vendetta 7 string (the older mahagony version) and a very modern version of an LP (one big ass heavy piece of neck through wood kinda thing).
Now I´ll give you a quick rundown of the basic distinctive characteristics when it comes to playing.

Ibanez S
: Lowest action, smallest body, thinnest neck
Dean: highest action, medium body, thin (compared to the others medium) neck
LP: medium (rather high) action, thick heavy body, thick neck.

Now take a guess which guitar I use for which sounds and which feels fastest. Got an expectation? Good.
Then let us take a look at how they feel to me and how I ended up using them after playing them and setting them up and a purely acoustic / playability level (pickups where bought after that).

Ibanez S: My mainly classic rock and blues work horse (very capable of going into folk and metal) loaded with RY bridge, IT middle and Mule neck (selfmade custom wiring). Plays fast, but it is played slowest of these three. Love it for the drawn out bluesy bended notes and it also invites strumming for me.
Dean: My modern axe loaded with Dimarzios John Petrucci Signature PUs (with Petruccis split middle wiring). This is the fastest guitar I own (and probably I have ever played, though one needs to also concider that it was my first electric, although I have modified action and PUs greatly since then). Great for modern rock and metal (prog metal) and modern metal leads.
LP: This is the pure metal axe loaded with an AM set (with a push pull poti for splits). This one is fast and very, very heavy (in sound and actual weight). It invites palm mutes, riffing and modern metal stuff (somewhat Heaven Shall Burn, but bigger, more defined and crushing), precise and crushing as heck, while getting me lead tones the are time whise in the middel of these three with the ibby being the oldest (the AM neck fits so good, brings out early Petrucci tones).


So again. What I am getting at is that the one that is supposed to play fastest (by the very general citeria) of these three makes me play slow blues, while the middle on is the fastest and the slowest one is middle fast...it is just crazy.

Just like today I went acoustic guitar shopping with my brother (he is the one who wants a guitar) and father (I also tried some electrics) and the difference in perception of what is playable in what way is astounding.
Not just that sound whise the gap between the best 500 pound guitar and the best 2300 pound guitar we could find was more like a 500 pound gap, but also which one feels good or fast.
Two sales people (who I generally really trust), my father, my brother and me all picked different playability favorites (which one is fastest, easiest to play) each one saying "this one is the best by miles". And that was just with Fender Strats I tried (just so you know, the Jimmy Vaughan Signature was my fav).



Bottom line from me (once again, cause I have had a few bears after my live mixing job tonight xD) is: Try and see what YOU think playes fast and is best for lead work.
Anything besides what your thingers tell you are guidelines at best.
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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2012, 08:24:40 AM »
Thanks again guys-Kiichi, very good point. I guess I havent really got out there to try stuff out regarding getting a guitar designed for lead. I think I was after pointers, as at least if I have an idea as to what most people consider a fast guitar, then there is a higher probability that it will be more conducive to that type of playing (though not always like in your experience Kiichi), ive read in magazines that ibanez seem more often than not to play ultra fast (some models anyways). So i guess its between Ibanez, ESP and Jackson. Im not fussed about having a floyd rose style trem, i am assuming i can block it?

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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2012, 11:21:46 AM »
Normally upper fret access and fret size are the main things to consider. Frets shouldn't be too small, many would want at least medium jumbo if not extra jumbo frets.

Whether the neck is flat or a bit curved, thin or a bit thicker, wide or narrow is a matter of taste. George Lynch preferrred quite fat and wide necks for a long time, strat scale. Joe Satriani prefers them much more vintage. Steve Vai has necks which are fatter then the standard Ibanez RG ones and have a bit smaller frets than their usual huge version. Zakk Wylde, Michael Amott, Michael Schenker and Kirk Hammett (sometimes) have all "shredded" on 24.75" scale necks quite superbly.
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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2012, 12:18:19 PM »
Normally upper fret access and fret size are the main things to consider. Frets shouldn't be too small, many would want at least medium jumbo if not extra jumbo frets.

Whether the neck is flat or a bit curved, thin or a bit thicker, wide or narrow is a matter of taste. George Lynch preferrred quite fat and wide necks for a long time, strat scale. Joe Satriani prefers them much more vintage. Steve Vai has necks which are fatter then the standard Ibanez RG ones and have a bit smaller frets than their usual huge version. Zakk Wylde, Michael Amott, Michael Schenker and Kirk Hammett (sometimes) have all "shredded" on 24.75" scale necks quite superbly.

+1. It's a matter of personal taste. Ritchie Kotzen playes a.... uhhh... tele.
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Re: What guitar for lead?
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2012, 12:37:48 PM »
Thanks again guys-Kiichi, very good point. I guess I havent really got out there to try stuff out regarding getting a guitar designed for lead. I think I was after pointers, as at least if I have an idea as to what most people consider a fast guitar, then there is a higher probability that it will be more conducive to that type of playing (though not always like in your experience Kiichi), ive read in magazines that ibanez seem more often than not to play ultra fast (some models anyways). So i guess its between Ibanez, ESP and Jackson. Im not fussed about having a floyd rose style trem, i am assuming i can block it?

It's easy to block floyd rose style trems.  Dunno about Ibanez ones...... Whats your budget out of interest?

http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/251150204854?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&cbt=y

This is my main and work horse guitar (Not literally mine cause i wouldnt sell it!).  Possibly my favourite guitar ive ever played, has a natural warm solid tone too.  I think ESP did themselves a mischief when they made these............ or I got lucky with this one as i prefer it to their stnadrards and sigs....... in fairness though preference again.

I have some old vids of me using the M1000 with all the stock specs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiULEa56sPo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcPwBBM2vUo

Glenn Drover also used to use them as a main axe whilst he was in Megadeth.  Believe one of the guitarists from God Forbid did too but im not mithered about them..... Not bad for a 'budget' guitar tho!

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