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Re: Marshall tones - XTC?
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2013, 04:55:50 AM »
instead of getting a marshall amp why not just get an overdrive/distortion pedal that sounds like one? or get a line 6 amp sim...to me they sound exactly like a real marshall

Feel is also a big factor that most amps, especially modelers, can't pull off by a long shot.

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Re: Marshall tones - XTC?
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2013, 07:05:53 AM »
instead of getting a marshall amp why not just get an overdrive/distortion pedal that sounds like one? or get a line 6 amp sim...to me they sound exactly like a real marshall

Feel is also a big factor that most amps, especially modelers, can't pull off by a long shot.

I think a lot of guitarists say this but have any of you gone in a studio and put this to a head to head test?
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2013, 08:39:23 AM »
I'm sure if you're recording a modeller or pedal could do the trick sound-wise, but 'feel' is very important to some folks (myself included).  It's the same with guitars - most LP users could sound the same with an Epi LP, but their Gibson will feel nicer/better/more responsive to play.

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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2013, 10:21:21 AM »
I'm sure if you're recording a modeller or pedal could do the trick sound-wise, but 'feel' is very important to some folks (myself included).  It's the same with guitars - most LP users could sound the same with an Epi LP, but their Gibson will feel nicer/better/more responsive to play.

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Re: Marshall tones - XTC?
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2013, 12:31:18 PM »
I'm sure if you're recording a modeller or pedal could do the trick sound-wise, but 'feel' is very important to some folks (myself included).  It's the same with guitars - most LP users could sound the same with an Epi LP, but their Gibson will feel nicer/better/more responsive to play.

Its all in the head !!

I have played some Gibsons that are totally cr@p in buildquality and feel,
but somehow users do accept it, just because its name Gibson.

I love my Edwards LPC and Greco's Flying V,
but when other guitarists look at them after hearing them live,
they seems to loose interest - it reads not Gibson on the headstock.

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Re: Marshall tones - XTC?
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2013, 12:35:19 PM »
I'm sure if you're recording a modeller or pedal could do the trick sound-wise, but 'feel' is very important to some folks (myself included).  It's the same with guitars - most LP users could sound the same with an Epi LP, but their Gibson will feel nicer/better/more responsive to play.

Its all in the head !!


It's only 'in the head' for those that think a big brand name guarantees quality and therefore 'better' tone etc.

Pretty much all of us on here wouldn't fall into that category.
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Re: Marshall tones - XTC?
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2013, 12:47:16 PM »
I'm sure if you're recording a modeller or pedal could do the trick sound-wise, but 'feel' is very important to some folks (myself included).  It's the same with guitars - most LP users could sound the same with an Epi LP, but their Gibson will feel nicer/better/more responsive to play.

Its all in the head !!


It's only 'in the head' for those that think a big brand name guarantees quality and therefore 'better' tone etc.

Pretty much all of us on here wouldn't fall into that category.
Maybe not in here, but to many out there DO fall for the name Gibson!
I would never buy a new Gibson, when i can get 3-4 superb MIJ for the price of one Gibson...

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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2013, 12:56:21 PM »
Yep - too many people fall for the Gibson name where there might be a better deal to be had elsewhere. Don't disagree with you at all!
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Re: Marshall tones - XTC?
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2013, 01:52:11 PM »
I'm sure if you're recording a modeller or pedal could do the trick sound-wise, but 'feel' is very important to some folks (myself included).  It's the same with guitars - most LP users could sound the same with an Epi LP, but their Gibson will feel nicer/better/more responsive to play.

Its all in the head !!


It's only 'in the head' for those that think a big brand name guarantees quality and therefore 'better' tone etc.

Pretty much all of us on here wouldn't fall into that category.
Maybe not in here, but to many out there DO fall for the name Gibson!
I would never buy a new Gibson, when i can get 3-4 superb MIJ for the price of one Gibson...

I agree in principle with what you're saying, but people always use Gibson as an example in these discussions - I've done it myself - almost as if it's an established fact that Gibsons are (a) rubbish and (b) overpriced.

In my obsession with Les Paul Juniors and similar guitars, I've owned loads of Japanese guitars in recent years - Edwards, Tokai, Orville, Greco and MIJ Epiphones (no Burnys, yet! :wink:).  They're great guitars, and great value for money.  The Japanese Epis, in particular, are fantastic and I'll never sell them.

However, in the last year or two I've done what I said I'd never do...... I've bought some Gibson custom shop versions of the same guitars.  And they are.... better.  The build quality and finishing aren't significantly better, the hardware is basically the same, so it must, I guess, be the timber.  There's just that bit more resonance, more "magic".  It's NOT just the name on the headstock, it's NOT all in my head, they are better guitars.

Are they worth 3-4 times the price of the MIJ guitars?  That's a different question.  It's never a case of "3 times the price = 3 times the guitar", you're always paying a premium for just an extra.... 10%, maybe, performance-wise.  It's up to you whether that's worth paying for.
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Re: Marshall tones - XTC?
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2013, 02:00:12 PM »
As always Philly, far more eloquent than I am on this subject. That's pretty much the essence of what I wanted to say!
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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2013, 02:24:42 PM »
Philly - I've been telling you all that for aaaaaaages  ;)

Wise words well written  :)

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« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2013, 03:33:17 PM »
 Cheers chaps.  :drink:

That said, this year I intend to keep the spending DOWN.  Really, I do.....
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Re: Marshall tones - XTC?
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2013, 04:07:04 PM »
Spending will be at an absolute minimum for me this year I think (actually, I know I will but I'm trying to give myself at least some positivity!)

Lots of focus in our house on clearing some debt down this year.
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Re: Marshall tones - XTC?
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2013, 04:15:04 PM »
instead of getting a marshall amp why not just get an overdrive/distortion pedal that sounds like one? or get a line 6 amp sim...to me they sound exactly like a real marshall

Feel is also a big factor that most amps, especially modelers, can't pull off by a long shot.

I think a lot of guitarists say this but have any of you gone in a studio and put this to a head to head test?

I was in the studio this summer recording my band's demo and I tried so hard to like the Axe-FX, supposedly the best modeller out there, and my producer fought me and fought me to use it, but it just felt dead compared to my Marshall. It felt dead while my Marshall cranked up in the studio felt like a living, breathing amp.

Some players it doesn't matter much, but for me, with audiences and gear likewise, I feed off of what they give me. If my amp isn't giving me anything, I can't give much back. Yes it's probably all in my head but I'm not going against my head in this case.

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Re: Marshall tones - XTC?
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2013, 04:43:35 PM »
That's the whole thing to me - music is all about art/feel/emotion/etc.  Otherwise it would be maths.