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Re: Unsung or overhyped?
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2013, 06:57:25 PM »
Ill say that Dave Mustaine and Chuck Schuldiner are my favorite guitarists, Mikael Akerfeldt and John Petrucci are up there too.

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Re: Unsung or overhyped?
« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2013, 09:32:13 PM »
Some interesting ideas coming out here. I have already investigated two players that I had never come across before. Actually, not wishing to be controversial, but I really missed the boat as far as George Lynch was concerned. I bought the 1st Lynch mob CD back in the day and liked the tone / vibe. Clearly he is a master of the fretboard and has a very identifiable sound and phrasing.. that said, I remember reading an old Guitarist interview with Jakey Lou who made some disparaging remarks about Lynch's rhythm playing (or rather it's lack of invention) can anybody point me in the direction of some essential Lynch listening?

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Re: Unsung or overhyped?
« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2013, 12:09:43 AM »
can anybody point me in the direction of some essential Lynch listening?

I think he was at his best in Dokken in the '80s, especially on the albums Tooth and Nail, Under Lock and Key and Back for the Attack, before he got into all the steroids and stuff.... I also like the first two Lynch Mob albums but haven't liked much of his more recent output that I've bought or heard.

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Re: Unsung or overhyped?
« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2013, 12:14:39 AM »
I can honestly say that Kurt Cobain is the only 'musician' who I actively troll and put down as I have a strong dislike for him bordeing on hatred.  As much as I do like some hair metal there needed to be a change but bands like Alice In Chains were VASTLY superior to ####!! Cobang and also there was death and thrash metal too you know....that little band Metallica werent exactly glammed up when they started?!  As well as being an awful excuse for a human being he was also plagiarist and would have been exposed had he not killed himself.  Guitar isnt all about technical ability but Kurt had nothing to me at all to me, I just feel sorry for his kid not that he or Courtney cared when they were shooting up with smack all the time.

I'm no authority on Randy Rhoads and I wasnt there at the time but as far as I can see he was the only guy who got close to the rock n roll pyrotechnics of Eddie Van Halen and it took a few years for others to catch up (George Lynch get recognition a few years later).  Further to that I think Randy took what Ritchie Blackmore and Uli Jon roth did in a different direction to another level (Big statement Blackmore is a God) and he carried Ozzy.  Look at all the great guitarists Randy went on to inspire the list is ridiculous.  Which bands have Nirvana actually inspired?  Silverchair?  PFFFFT please absolute dog shiteeeee.

Any way rant over. Not sure about who is underrated as its all relative and some great guitarists who dont get much fame always seem to have a cult following......... Shawn Lane could tear any one a new arsehole and Buckethead seems to be pushing the limits of electric and acoustic guitar even in this day and age.
My favourite guitar playing on any album ive heard this year was by Testament.  Eric Peterson isnt far behind Dave Mustaine and Hetfield when it comes to writing legendary riffs and I think Alex Skolnick is the best thrash lead guitarist ever.

I agree about Chuck Schuldiner but those who like him know hes one of the greatest heavy metal guitarists of all time (Still doesnt get enough recognition tho for my liking).

Re George Lynch I prefer his Dokken stuff but type in Mr Scary on Youtube and watch him play with the drum machine.......... that shiteeeee is scary!!
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Re: Unsung or overhyped?
« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2013, 09:01:02 AM »
that said, I remember reading an old Guitarist interview with Jakey Lou who made some disparaging remarks about Lynch's rhythm playing (or rather it's lack of invention) can anybody point me in the direction of some essential Lynch listening?

I read that, too. He said GL, while his lead playing was phenomenal, his rhythm playing was rather boring and that he (JL) could almost predict what GL was going to play. That interview was done just after Badlands released their Voodoo Highway album.

At that time GL already left Dokken. My favorite Dokken album is "Back for the Attack". GL never sounded nastier than on this one, although I think his tone on the "Tooth and Nail" album was closest to his live tone on "Beast of the East".

I would agree that JL offered more variety in his rhythm playing.

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Re: Unsung or overhyped?
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2013, 12:18:14 PM »
Which bands have Nirvana actually inspired?

To be inspired by somebody does not equate to making music that sounds the same. To be recognised as an inspiration does not require the people you inspire to gain recognition.

He inspired a cultural shift for a generation of kids. Whether you rate him as a musician/person/artist is irrelevant. Nobody in your list has had any of that kind of impact on the music world at large.

As a kid who grew up in the 80s blessed with the back catalogue of the 60/70s, I was into both the thrash side of things and Motley etc before I discovered Bathory, Death, Autopsy etc. If I felt it was great guitar music I loved it. Because I loved the guitar I loved ANY guitar music that inspired me to pick it up. I was painfully aware that I would never reach that standard of shreddery and that the lyrical content of a lot of Death/Thrash/Hair metal is just plain feckin dumb, so Kurt Cobains strait to the point and back to basics heavy tunes were properly inspirational. His cryptic lyrics spoke to people as well. He played it like he meant it, not like he had practiced hard to be there.

I can also understand why people who spent years in the 80s believing hair metal was the pinacle of musical excellence find Kurt and his music to be an affront to all they believe. Everything has its place, especially now that time has relegated all of the music trends of the past to a level playing field.

(I agree with you on Chuck Schuldiner but his band was always destined to be sidelined to the masses because of his largely terrible lyric writing. Maybe some of the worst lyrics ever... Please don't make me quote them)
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Re: Unsung or overhyped?
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2013, 01:51:00 PM »
Which bands have Nirvana actually inspired?

To be inspired by somebody does not equate to making music that sounds the same. To be recognised as an inspiration does not require the people you inspire to gain recognition.

He inspired a cultural shift for a generation of kids. Whether you rate him as a musician/person/artist is irrelevant. Nobody in your list has had any of that kind of impact on the music world at large.

As a kid who grew up in the 80s blessed with the back catalogue of the 60/70s, I was into both the thrash side of things and Motley etc before I discovered Bathory, Death, Autopsy etc. If I felt it was great guitar music I loved it. Because I loved the guitar I loved ANY guitar music that inspired me to pick it up. I was painfully aware that I would never reach that standard of shreddery and that the lyrical content of a lot of Death/Thrash/Hair metal is just plain feckin dumb, so Kurt Cobains strait to the point and back to basics heavy tunes were properly inspirational. His cryptic lyrics spoke to people as well. He played it like he meant it, not like he had practiced hard to be there.

I can also understand why people who spent years in the 80s believing hair metal was the pinacle of musical excellence find Kurt and his music to be an affront to all they believe. Everything has its place, especially now that time has relegated all of the music trends of the past to a level playing field.

(I agree with you on Chuck Schuldiner but his band was always destined to be sidelined to the masses because of his largely terrible lyric writing. Maybe some of the worst lyrics ever... Please don't make me quote them)

Yes and the Spice Girls also inspired a generation of young women, oh and Robbie Williams' Angels is the greatest song ever based on the slack jawed masses and popularity.  Simon Cowell oh hes good isnt he?  Pearl Jam were overtaking Nirvana any way had Kurt not killed himself.  Your 'cultural' argument falls down any way as many people credit Schuldiner for being the Godfather of Death Metal a genre with a very strong following to this day.  Wheres grunges following?

I could go on a huge rant about that dirty, weak junkie but i dont want to waste my energy.  I wish people like you would stop stop comparing him to proper musicians like Randy Rhoads and or Chuck Schuldiner.  Cobain was no great lyricist either as far as im concerned and no I dont want you to quote any Schuldiner lyrics at least he didnt try and pass off 'It's better to burn off than to fade away' as his own or rip off riffs from other bands.

Next youll be telling me Dave Grohl is the best drummer ever  :?
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Re: Unsung or overhyped?
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2013, 04:13:21 PM »
Which bands have Nirvana actually inspired?

To be inspired by somebody does not equate to making music that sounds the same. To be recognised as an inspiration does not require the people you inspire to gain recognition.

He inspired a cultural shift for a generation of kids. Whether you rate him as a musician/person/artist is irrelevant. Nobody in your list has had any of that kind of impact on the music world at large.

As a kid who grew up in the 80s blessed with the back catalogue of the 60/70s, I was into both the thrash side of things and Motley etc before I discovered Bathory, Death, Autopsy etc. If I felt it was great guitar music I loved it. Because I loved the guitar I loved ANY guitar music that inspired me to pick it up. I was painfully aware that I would never reach that standard of shreddery and that the lyrical content of a lot of Death/Thrash/Hair metal is just plain feckin dumb, so Kurt Cobains strait to the point and back to basics heavy tunes were properly inspirational. His cryptic lyrics spoke to people as well. He played it like he meant it, not like he had practiced hard to be there.

I can also understand why people who spent years in the 80s believing hair metal was the pinacle of musical excellence find Kurt and his music to be an affront to all they believe. Everything has its place, especially now that time has relegated all of the music trends of the past to a level playing field.

(I agree with you on Chuck Schuldiner but his band was always destined to be sidelined to the masses because of his largely terrible lyric writing. Maybe some of the worst lyrics ever... Please don't make me quote them)

Yes and the Spice Girls also inspired a generation of young women, oh and Robbie Williams' Angels is the greatest song ever based on the slack jawed masses and popularity.  Simon Cowell oh hes good isnt he?  Pearl Jam were overtaking Nirvana any way had Kurt not killed himself.  Your 'cultural' argument falls down any way as many people credit Schuldiner for being the Godfather of Death Metal a genre with a very strong following to this day.  Wheres grunges following?

I could go on a huge rant about that dirty, weak junkie but i dont want to waste my energy.  I wish people like you would stop stop comparing him to proper musicians like Randy Rhoads and or Chuck Schuldiner.  Cobain was no great lyricist either as far as im concerned and no I dont want you to quote any Schuldiner lyrics at least he didnt try and pass off 'It's better to burn off than to fade away' as his own or rip off riffs from other bands.

Next youll be telling me Dave Grohl is the best drummer ever  :?


I don't mean to start a fight, but I feel like you're acting uneccessarily aggresive, not only to "Kurt" but to the users in general.

Also, I disagree with you.
Kurt Cobain wass certainly not in the same vein as people like the spice girls or Simon Cowell. He was the opposite.
He was the epitome of stripped down, natural music, and whether you like it or not he was a natural song writer that touched millions of people and showed that there was more than one way to make music in an era when everything was the same.
To say that he is cr@p is like saying that Bob Dylan, Tom Waits or BB King are cr@p.
Ignorant.
I'm not even a big fan of nirvana. I far prefer soundgarden and Pearl Jam but as an individual musician Kurt Cobain was undoubtedly special.

Also, you keep on referring back to Chuck and Rhoads as prime examples for "godly" musicians and not only is it very "fanboy-ish" but they are completely different musicians and you simply can't compare them to Cobain nor did they effect the world like he did. You're using the word "Inspiration" very directly. He change the way that people looked at music - just like Radiohead did with Kid A to a lesser extent, but you'll find very few people directly referencing them directly.
Guess why? Because when Cobain died so did the grunge scene and it hasn't come back.
That's how big his role was. He killed if glam rock and with killed of his own genre. Who else ever managed that?

Also...
Death have horrendous lyrics and Kurt's were much better and very similar to those of AiC, who you say that you love.

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Re: Unsung or overhyped?
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2013, 04:45:07 PM »
JimmyM, you say about Kurt Cobain that you have ' have a strong dislike for him bordering on hatred '. Get things in perspective, hate is a very strong word. I'm sure he never did anything unpleasant to you personally. Nirvana was never about guitar pyrotechnics so if that's what floats your boat just don't listen to them. You have a choice. Personally I think Kurt was a breath of fresh air and I don't give a damn if he couldn't solo like EVH or whoever - that was NOT the point.
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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2013, 04:48:41 PM »
So you don't like Nirvana or Kurt Cobain? Pissed off that some of his riffs are overfamiliar yet you are ok with hundreds of metal bands sounding like carbon copies of Death 20 years later? Chuck Schuldiner never used any Slayerisms or played like a carbon copy of Andy LaRocque? Double $%&#ing standards?

I'm not some lifelong fanboy of Kurt Cobain either he was a clearly troubled guy not fit for the public spotlight but it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine no matter how much vitriol you throw at him. Grunge as anybody knows was an industry made up term to group together alternative rock bands with no real common sound because it confounded the people who were not expecting its success. To slate it as not being around anymore is stupid because it didn't exist as an actual recognisable music genre in the first place. And death metal (which I love by the way, so its not a vs. thing for me. Autopsy have always pissed on Death from a great height in my opinion) may still be around with a big following but so are many alternative rock bands from back then.

...for the record Dave Grohl gets on my nerves a bit. Hes not the greatest drummer but hes certainly not shiteeee. Hes seriously over exposed in the media and I hate the Foo Fighters. Most overrated band ever. Almost as overrated at Randy $%&#ing Rhoads. Even if he is a 'proper' musician. I suppose people like Johnny Cash aren't 'proper' musicians either.

As to your 'people like me'. Fk you. You don't know me.  Keep your venom in check.
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Re: Unsung or overhyped?
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2013, 04:52:15 PM »
I think we're at the point in this thread where the dancing penis is needed.

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« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2013, 05:00:29 PM »
I think we're at the point in this thread where the dancing penis is needed.

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« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2013, 05:51:15 PM »
I think we're at the point in this thread where the dancing penis is needed.

The old magic bad vibe remover!

Exactly! Just not sure if it'll get me banned or not. I think just the thought of it lightens things up though. It's done its job.

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« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2013, 06:41:25 PM »
Maybe I should never have mentioned Kurt Cobain....  :oops:
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« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2013, 08:36:39 PM »
Maybe I should never have mentioned Kurt Cobain....  :oops:

It's all your fault. Shame on you!  :x