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Re: The Guitar Wood Myth - Emperors New Clothes???
« Reply #105 on: March 15, 2013, 01:24:07 PM »
So if wood type (what are we really talking about here - probably material density and consistency of density througout) is a key factor - or any factor - in a guitar's sound, this is because of something to do with the resonance of that material, yes?

In that case, I have the following questions:
- If fretboard makes a difference, why do people not give too much thought to laminate tops?  Apparantly the 'laminate top' of the fretboard is important, but not the laminate top of the body, yet the body wood DOES somehow effect resonance?  Seems odd.

- And in the same vein, if the laminate top DOES make a difference, or if we are to believe that layers of material can effect resonance, why don't people make a huge stink about pickguard materials or pickguards effect on sound?  I would think there would just as many discussions on 'what pickguard should I choose to go with a Nailbomb'? as 'what pickup should I use with a maple fretboard?'.

- The amount of that wood should also be a factor if the type is, yet no one talks about tone when deciding on a guitar with a carved top, tummy cut etc.

- To go farther down the rabbit hole, if the resonance of the wood is a factor, then anything effecting that resonance should be taken into account.  Anything touching the guitar will effect vibration - the leg it rests on, the shirt you are wearing, how hard you grip the neck, the humidity of the room you are playing in, etc etc.

I don't know.  Personally I think that the way the guitar is put together is much more important than the wood it is made from when it comes to the sound it will produce, let alone the strings, pickups, amp etc.  The extra money you are paying for a high end guitar can be justified more by the assembly process than the core materials.

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Re: The Guitar Wood Myth - Emperors New Clothes???
« Reply #106 on: March 15, 2013, 02:22:33 PM »
Necro Thread! Protect your brains!! It wants them!

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Re: The Guitar Wood Myth - Emperors New Clothes???
« Reply #107 on: March 15, 2013, 03:34:36 PM »
So if wood type (what are we really talking about here - probably material density and consistency of density througout) is a key factor - or any factor - in a guitar's sound, this is because of something to do with the resonance of that material, yes?

In that case, I have the following questions:
- If fretboard makes a difference, why do people not give too much thought to laminate tops?  Apparantly the 'laminate top' of the fretboard is important, but not the laminate top of the body, yet the body wood DOES somehow effect resonance?  Seems odd.

- And in the same vein, if the laminate top DOES make a difference, or if we are to believe that layers of material can effect resonance, why don't people make a huge stink about pickguard materials or pickguards effect on sound?  I would think there would just as many discussions on 'what pickguard should I choose to go with a Nailbomb'? as 'what pickup should I use with a maple fretboard?'.

- The amount of that wood should also be a factor if the type is, yet no one talks about tone when deciding on a guitar with a carved top, tummy cut etc.

- To go farther down the rabbit hole, if the resonance of the wood is a factor, then anything effecting that resonance should be taken into account.  Anything touching the guitar will effect vibration - the leg it rests on, the shirt you are wearing, how hard you grip the neck, the humidity of the room you are playing in, etc etc.

I don't know.  Personally I think that the way the guitar is put together is much more important than the wood it is made from when it comes to the sound it will produce, let alone the strings, pickups, amp etc.  The extra money you are paying for a high end guitar can be justified more by the assembly process than the core materials.

Not unfair or unintelligent questions, but the answers probably wont please you:

There are no clear answers.

With guitars we're talking about structurally transmitted vibration, and resonant feedback through coupling. Geometry (shape) also has a pretty significant effect, but imo/ime its structural transmission and coupling.

Take the case of the fretboard. Lets say you have a 2cm thick neck and 5mm of it is fretboard. Thats 1/4 of the neck. More, in fact, given that its pretty much rectangular in profile, whereas the rest of the neck is curved.

A veneer top takes up much less of the proportion of the body. It will be having an effect, but its hard to say how much other than 'less'. A full 18mm top will have a lot more effect, and thats were a good LP gets a lot of its tone from.

Heres another thing though; the mounting of the bridge. With the transmission through the whole neck youre getting the whole neck to vibrate, but if you have a bridge with deep posts, then you will get less resonance from the top, proportionately speaking, than you would if you have some sort of more-or-less surface mounted bridge. String through is as least thought to affect it similarly (but I'm not convinced. Maybe).

Then theres structural, as well. Even a veneer can change the tone quite a bit if its a very rigid wood like ebony. You can do the same thing with necks; a neck thats just a chunk of mahogany Vs one thats all mahogany but has been cut into 3 parts and the centre one flipped round. That is a much more rigid structure, it will sustain better and likely have better high end transmission even though the material is the same (more or less).

In your conclusion, youre onto something. My number one guitar (made by Legra Guitars' Bob Johnson, along with my number 2 guitar) is based heavily around both; we chose woods for their generic tonal characteristics, and then the guitar was designed so that its assembly/structure transmits vibration as well as possible. Worked too, utterly stunning instrument.

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Re: The Guitar Wood Myth - Emperors New Clothes???
« Reply #108 on: March 17, 2013, 12:15:52 PM »

- If fretboard makes a difference, why do people not give too much thought to laminate tops?  Apparantly the 'laminate top' of the fretboard is important, but not the laminate top of the body, yet the body wood DOES somehow effect resonance?  Seems odd.

Not really.  Can you tell the difference between a maple board and rosewood board strat?  Hopefully yes.  Can you tell the difference between 2 rosewood board strats, one with a maple cap on the body.  Probably not.

- And in the same vein, if the laminate top DOES make a difference, or if we are to believe that layers of material can effect resonance, why don't people make a huge stink about pickguard materials or pickguards effect on sound?  I would think there would just as many discussions on 'what pickguard should I choose to go with a Nailbomb'? as 'what pickup should I use with a maple fretboard?'.

Pickguard material doesn't make a discernible difference, so there's no point worrying about it.  But if you've just got a nice chambered tele body, I can see why you'd go with no pickguard incase it dampens things.

- The amount of that wood should also be a factor if the type is, yet no one talks about tone when deciding on a guitar with a carved top, tummy cut etc.

They do, but people just ignore them because they are boring t*&ts!  Carved tops and Tummy cuts are for comfort.
Saying that I can tell when a strat has a swimming pool route rather than a vintage route.

- To go farther down the rabbit hole, if the resonance of the wood is a factor, then anything effecting that resonance should be taken into account.  Anything touching the guitar will effect vibration - the leg it rests on, the shirt you are wearing, how hard you grip the neck, the humidity of the room you are playing in, etc etc.

My acoustic sounds sh!t when I leave t in my outside hut.  I assume it's becuase it's cold and the humidity is high because I don't have the same problem in the summer.


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Re: The Guitar Wood Myth - Emperors New Clothes???
« Reply #109 on: March 24, 2013, 09:53:43 AM »
just found this thread and pardon me for saying so but life is too short to read all the posts right now. Shoot me down if you may 'cause someone has probably already said this, I would say the neck type has more bearing on tone than the body. I was thinking just the other day about bolting a neck to a paving slab and seeing what it sounded like. Ok maybe thats just stupid, I just fitted the neck,tuners and bridge on my american walnut handmade body and listened to it by placing my ear on the body to here the resonance, probably not possible with a paving slab.