Warpig or Miracle Man, same old story...

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DON, the highs, the tightness of the bass, and the amount of MIDS.
MM=more tightness on the bass, less mids, and more highs.

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actually come to think of it i did get the emg references the wrong way round. I need more sleep. And emg need more distinctive model names. Sorry about that.

[Don]

No matter... thanks anyway. Lookin forwaed for any more information about the warpig. Are you quite satisfied with the neck pu too? anyway at least I think you never know how a pickup sounds unless installed in your equipment and played by your own hands.....
Anyway if its got enough gain I think I'll manage to come around with it and the Diezel...... You think it's got enough gain, I mean gain consists a lot of high mids and top frequencies or not? I think I'll take regular chrome caps with standart screws, should add some clarity compared to allen...
thank you Don

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Actually I prefer the neck pickup, especially for cleans. It has a really warm clean tone that turns incredibly dark and brooding if you want it to, and it just sounds huge when distorted. It's almost too metal for metal, if you know what I mean. It's not quite so faithful to the typical heavy metal sound, it takes it that bit further. I play through it 80% of the time, but of course I can't guarantee you'll like what I do about it.

I'll have to get some sound clips up, won't I?

To be honest, the amount of gain is the last thing you need to be worrying about. I replaced a JB/Jazz set with them, the duncans might not be the highest output pickups around, but the difference was unbelievable. In general I now work on rolling off to volume 1 to get basically clean, where the duncans would do similar at 4. With an amp as heavy as yours, you'll never be even close to short on gain.

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YES. lets tal, more action
ahahahaah i mean, more action=soundclips
HHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[Don]

Yeah GT you're right, I got a Jazz/JB in another guitar too, it's a good combo but little short of power, I have too use Channel 3 of my Herbert to get a real Distortion sound with the JB, on Channel 2 it's just slightly beyond AC/DC or so... Usin an EMG81 or Gibson 500T I have the real rhythm thing on Channel 2, Channel 3 is more for leads then with endless sustain, it's almost too much for Riffs, except you want to sound like Dimebag on far beyond driven for example. On the other Hand the JB gives a good rock tone and I love the reaction on pinch harmonics of it, it's got a nice rounded sound, but not enough power for my kind of sound... But it's a good pu... but I'll have to exchange it in a while... maybe with miracle mans in that guitar, when I go for the Warpigs that time.
So you can promise me the warpig has tons of bass, but there's no muddyness? Can you have a good distortionsound for leads on the low strings while you are usin the neck-pu. Cleans are not important for me, I can use my Jazz/JB combo for that....

[HTH AMPS]

imo, the MM has a tighter bass than the WP.  I'd liken the MM to that ultra-tight bass end that Metallica had on And Justice For All whereas the WP has a bigger bass end (still tight) and would be more like Down or COC, that BIG BASS sound.

The WP still has great mids, not scooped at all, and just the right amount of top end - it sounds good clean too.

Overall, the MM is very focused and god for old-school thrash where the WP is more modern.

From the conversation I had with Tim, the Painkiller is going to fall somewhere between the MM and WP with a ceramic magnet and blistering midrange  :D

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AHAHAHAH HEAVIER THAN HELL
$%&#ing thanks for the explanations
Q:)
i Apreciate it.
Also... if you tell me the leads on thePK will SOUND LIKE a smoother(not scooped or reduces, lets name it Velvet, or sweet, or SINGING version of the MM, iŽll definitely buy the PAINKILLER without a doubt.)version from the ones found on the MM, with the same amount of highs , but different voicing. would be my perfect bridge pup.
Hails
J.P

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ahahahah Bass As SOlid and tight As a Rock.
               Crushing and blistering mids, like a vulcanic eruption
               and Singing Highs Like a Bird.
AjaHAHAHAhaHAHAahAHahAHa
perfect

[Don]

COC, Down, Crowbar etc. they all tune down a lot or use bariton guitars... Not so my case... hope the WP sounds well in standart tuning too and hope its got enough highs. I think it's better if there are enough highs from the pickup than using lots of treble and presence on the amp, what can make the sound clanking or uncomfortable sharp...
Otherwise a hot ceramic can be like that too...

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HTH, that's the impression I get, with the miracle man being more old school and stuff.

Don, oddly enough I find the harmonics the thing I miss least about my old jb. They just (comparitively) sound so thin and weedy, it's like a screech where harmonics should wail. To me, anyway. To be honest the duncans seemed muddier to me than the warpigs. The neck lead sound I think is fantastic. It's quite similar to the late carcass stuff you mentioned, actually, but slightly more rounded and a bit fuller. I've never actually tuned mine below Eb, so everything I'm saying relates to pretty normal tunings. I really don't think you'll have a problem with highs, your explorer won't be as bass heavy as my ravelle to start with, and I don't have any problems with a lack of highs I don't think.

[Don]

Yeah GT sure the Duncans are thinner, but there's a certain response in that JB that comes good around, may depend on the equipment... My JB is in a selfbuilt Les Paul, means set neck, Khaya-Body (kind of Mahogany), Wenga-Top, Bahia neck (very midrange, strong attack) Ebony fingerboard, so it's a little brighter and faster than a regular standart... with the Diezel I can get a quite hot sound out of the JB, usin all that it's got then its ok... with the Gibson 500t I can get dozens of different shades of Distortion, good sounds... so for me the 500T is the more flexible, but that's just for me, most would say the JB as they count on cleans and overdrive. At least the JB is hardly a metal pickup, I wonder they make so much advertisement Dave Mustaine usin it...
Yes the fat heartwork and swansong sounds are the kind I'm after....very good. thanks for taking so much care about my problems/questions GT

[Don]

confusing ol that old school and modern... for me old school is like old slayer, venom kind a stuff, modern is like pantera or nevermore...

seems like today pantera is old school and system of a down is modern...

By the way WFD defleshed-under the blade was a great album....... modern guitar sound for me, but I think it's now old school, gotta get used to it...

[HTH AMPS]

I've used the WP with my regular D-standard and drop-C tunings and it sounds awesome, but in standard it great too.  You really can't go wrong with the WP.  

Don't worry about it not having any highs - this is the usual scenario with mega-hot 'buckers but not the case with the WP.  You will have all the top end you would usually get from a nice balanced 'bucker.  I don't think the WP is 'dark' at all, it's just HUGE sounding with a phat bass end.

I'm gonna mess around with a variable coil-split on the WP at the weekend - that should be interesting.

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^call me a noob, but how does a variable coil split work?

I've often wondered how much they have to pay to get dave mustaine to use the jb/jazz set, no metaller in their right mind would choose them. It certainly has its uses, they're both good for slightly grungy rock, but certainly not metal.

I usually consider pantera fairly modern, especially their last few albums.

That's quite an exotic lp, must have been some expensive wood...