Warpig or Miracle Man, same old story...

[Don]

Hi all there!
I want to try out bkps and I will install a calibtared set of Warpigs or Miracle Mans in my Gibson (Mahogany for sure) Explorer. At least I don't like the neck pickup (think it's a 498 or 496) too muddy too less gain saturation but I can work quite well with the 500T at bridge, it's a quite good pickup I think... so the reason for changing both of them is on the one hand get a better neck and on the other hand just trying out new stuff, like to again and again modify and curiosity...
The main reason I'm writing is that I'm sure that I could work very well with the Miracle mans but as I said I'm curious and I think that the Warpigs might be the more extraordinary Pickups. My problem is that I don't know too much about how they sound as alnico V/23 kOhm is quite a special specification I think.... I've listened to all the sound samples, but I'm sorry, I can't get too much out of it... I can't imagine what a Warpig sounds like through a 200 Watt Tube Amplifier with two 4x12 cabs after listening to a POD mp3... I use a Diezel Herbert, which is quite flexible in tone, tons of bass and gain, no problem... By the way I can work quite well with an EMG81 at neck for solos and shred... I like the thick saturation of it. I'm quite into metal (harder stuff). I play standart tuning half step down, 0.10-0.46 strings, 24.75 scale. I like Guitar sounds like Pantera, late Carcass,late Death,late Over Kill, I'm not after battered sounds like Venom, Dismember, old Entombed, old Carcass, Punk and that stuff though I like those Bands too.... I don't need clean sounds with that guitar.
Again I know the Miracle Mans might be exactly my Pickups, but my question is how different do the Warpigs sound compared to them, how big is the difference in clarity, gain saturation, bite, pinch harmonics, response. Do you think the warpigs will offer me a big adventure and satisfy my needs or do you think I'll be screwed by them as I don't wanna play dropped down old school punkrock?
thanks for your advice, Rock on! Don

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

iīm in the same doubts
but i have all the 4 high gain bkps to decide for..
MM, WP, NB, And the new painkiller
iīll order as soon as the new site revamps.
so, iīll have more info to base my choice on Before ordering.

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

hails man, im into extreme metal too
i like distortions like the decapitated - nihility cd, and carcass heartworks, just to name 2.
i have a 5150 and a marshall 4x12 1960 cabinet.
one guitar tuned in C(ibz s1220 wnf prestige), and a charvel fusion deluxe tuned in D.
iīm undecided about $$ and tone, on which pickups to get
just like you.
but my main problem is that i didnīt know my amp very well YET, i din[t have enough time and ROOM to test it, so i canīt choose my pickups yet, i need to be 100% sure that they will not overpower the already natural tonal qualities of the amp, and not sound scooped in any frequencies.
i like tons of mids, but my amp has already tons of mids... BUT, i donīt  a pickup with scooped mids too. also, i donīt really want a big boost of highs, but Scooped, or Unbalanced Highs arenīt for me too. And extremely big bottom end that will probably get muddy, or too bassy, is not with me.. and , iīm Guessing that alll.. cause i didnīt play any of the bkp pickup, and iīm short on money to get those pickups.
iīll get 241,44 UK pounds and spend it into either a set of BKPS for my charvel, or a set of bkp for my ibanez. canīt decide yetif iīll get a set of emgs and a set of bkps, or a set of dimarzios and a set of bkps.. i donīt know if iīll have enough $$$ to get 2 bkp sets.
Q:p
SO, as you can see, iīm totally Undecided.
I liKED All the 3 bkp Pickups.
miracle man, Nailbomb, Warpig.
And also decided that, my next spare money, will be burned into a set of the mules for my strat. AWESOME Sound on them.
J.P

$%&#ing hails
WELCOME TO THE FORUM.

[Don]

....Good idea to wait for the new site to come up, but when will it come and will it feature much more information? I don't wanna wait too long.

Who's the painkiller (Specs?)

There must be some users in the forum that have tried the Warpig and the Miracle Man..... I'll wait for your answers, thanks a lot.

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

Painkiller is the new prototype of pickup timīs developing.
the guys will chime in and throw more info on your topic.
HOPE someone throw in some light on mine too, ahahahah
Hails
J.P

[Don]

Does someone know anything about that Painkiller? Type of magnet, kOhms, date of release....

Tell me more about Warpigs please, what can I expect?

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

from what i heard here in the forum
painkiller will have crunchy mids and TIGHT bass(just donīt know if it will be tighter than the mm and warpig) . And itīs designed to be a metal pickup, but different from what they have done before(nailbombm, warpig, miracle man)
So.. they didnīt talked about the highs... thats what iīm waiting for. a full review. i guess itīs ceramic magnet.
donīt know when it will be released. timīs working on the pickup voicing, i guess.

warpig - tight and lots of bass. lots of mids too, donīt know about the highs.someone chime in about the highs. AND HIGH OUTPUT.

MM ultra tight bass, "smooth"(can be called scooped or reduced mids?) Mids and screaming highs. High output.


Nailbomb, the better cleans, from metal pickups....
balanced overal tone. great for leads. and lots of crunchy mids. Balanced bass(can be called reduced or ? Balanced Then?!)
and good moderated/high output.

Correct me guys if iīm wrong. please.
are you on carnival holyday too, or just me here in brazil?
J.P

[Don]

Painkiller, maybe a Blade-magnet like Dimebucker for example, something new...

I need a neck pickup that's got much output and not too much mids. For me the EMG81 is great at neck. As far as real Distortion sound is concerned, EMGs work quite well for me.

But I want to try out somethin new now...

From the specs, 23 kOhm, Warpig shouldn't have too much highs, as conventional pickups loose on highs the more Ohms they have, but I think the BKP guys must have compensated that effect somehow, otherwise the Warpig wouldn't have that good critics, otherwise it would  be great for Jazz, but not for metal... You can't make a good Metal pickup without highs and good high mids... so that's what I wonder about, is it really usable for clean solid thrash and death, like dew-scented, malevolent creation or whatever or is it more for the dirty sound, the punk way etc....

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

from the neck, i guess you will like the miracle man neck.
its alnico 5.
or, the nailbomb.

[Don]

Shouldn't the warpig neck be hotter than the mm? I don't think the nailbomb is good for that axe, it's gonna be a strickt total heavy axe, maybe for my selfbuilt Les Paul...nailbombs...but I'll wait with that...

[genocidal tendencies]

on the painkiller, there's a picture of it in the gallery somewhere and it has normal pole pieces. I doubt tim would go for rails. It's named after the judas priest song, so that'll be the sort of tone it'll be aimed at. I'm going to get one as soon as I find some money.

I haven't used a miracle man, but I can speak for the warpig. It excels in modern metal tones, the mid scooped really heavy stuff, because the bass response is frankly colossal and the highs are very cutting. I've heard it described as what you'd expect an emg81 to sound like. Basically it'll eat the tones you're suggesting for breakfast with your bass control on about 3. It's unbelievably versatile, as well. There's very little you won't be able to do with them and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if your 'pigged metal axe becomes your weapon of choice for clean tones as well. The output is insane, yes (you can hear it unamplified through headphones. A bit. Yes, I was bored enough to try.), but I seriously wouldn't worry about it compromising tone. It just doesn't. Presumably tim's winding techniques aren't subject to laws of physics.

I believe the miracle man is supposed to have a tone closer to the emg85.

You might have gathered, I'm a bit biased.

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

Hails man
can you post some clips of your WP?
describe to me the balance between the mids, highs and bass.
of the wp.
iīm worried that the warpig can have just a little bit of highs.
Q:(

[Don]

somewhere I read it the opposite way, that the warpig would be closer to the EMG85, the MM to the EMG81... I think that's right? As the 85 has more bass and alnico, 81 is ceramic..... anyway though I haven't had an 85 since a long time I think 81 and 85 aren't tooooo far from each other??? Would you also say there's not too much difference between the Pig and the Man just concerning the distorted sound...
Thanks!!!

[genocidal tendencies]

^^Yeah, next time I'm around a decent amp I'll record some stuff. Could be a while, but I'll try.

In a nutshell, the pig is bass heavy, but the highs are reasonably loud and as I said very sutting, so they're more audible than they are loud, if you know what I mean. The mids are pretty low, comparatively, but not so low you can only so scooped stuff.

If it helps, some of the amp settings (bass-mid-treble) I use (guitar tone control at 5) are:
cowboys from hell - bridge pickup -  7,5,8
i believe in a thing called love - bridge pickup - 3,8,7
dark saga (iced earth) - bridge pickup - 5,4,7 - the clean passages in this work really well
sad but true - both pickups - 7,1,8 -

a rough idea at least. The bass isn't even trying, but the highs do need to be pushed a bit to get going. It's really not a lot though (for a kirk hammett tone I think TG suggested about 7,2,7 or something), with a decent amp you'll be able to cover the stuff you're looking at pretty easily. I still had half my guitar's tone control to turn the treble up there, don't forget. Also bear in mind that this is a big mahogany ravelle that was reviewed as 'too' bass heavy with the stock duncans we're talking about. So I think you'll have plenty of highs to work with.


^Spec wise it would make sense actually. I do think of my pigs being closer to 81s, but then I don't own emgs to compare them to, so you might want to seek a second opinion on that. I don't have a miracle man, so I can't really compare them properly.

[Don]

OK GT I'll listen to that again with the controls in mind... thanks


The MM should have cutting highs, loud ones, so the difference between Warpig and MM is bigger than I thought???