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littlemurph7976

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New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« on: March 02, 2013, 09:44:03 AM »
Hello Everyone, I haven't posted in here in a very long time.

Long story short, I acquired one of these:


It's a really nice guitar, but in desperate need of some upgrades. It has an alder body, maple neck and rosewood fretboard, and I'll be playing it through a Blackstar Series 1 100 6L6, going through a Mesa Recto 2x12 w/ V30s. I'm not tuning down stupidly low (but might do sometimes just for teh lulz [nothing below low G]), I got a baritone because after playing bass for so long, guitars feel like toys to me. This guitar is going to be mostly in drop C.

My original plan was to ditch the single coils and just go H/H, but I've somewhat fallen in love with that tele neck position. The middle single however, does nothing for me, and get's in the way of my picking, so I've decided to go for a nice chrome covered H/S set up. Then I'll wire in a push/pull coilsplit on the tone pot, just to split the bridge with, and replace the 5-way with a 3-way.

Firstly, the neck. I'm a total single coil n00b, I come from a pretty metal background, I've only really used humbuckers before, so really don't know what to look for with single coils. I guess I'd be going for something along the lines of whats already there, but 'more' sounding, if that makes sense. Something tighter, less muddy, a bit fatter, and with a lot more clarity. My initial thoughts were a Piledriver. I want some power, but not too much, however, it needs to be able to stand up to the bridge humbucker. I want to retain a level of 'organic-ness' in this guitar so I'm wanting to not go straight for the super high output pickups, which is why I'm unsure of the Piledriver. Plus, I don't need to drive an amp really, I have all the gain I need from my Blackstar & pedals. I looked at a Boss, it having roughly the same DC, but the EQ curve puts me off (I like mids). I mainly use the neck for cleans and leads, but nothing super-duper high gain (think Oceansize/Karnivool type stuff, heavy but organic), although, I'd quite like the ability to get up to that level and play a bit of metal every now and then. Will the Piledriver fit my needs? Does it work well in Alder? Will it work well with the extended scale length? Again, I'm really not sure what to look for with single coils, so any and all help is appreciated here.

Next, the bridge. Like I said, I want to stray away from the super high output pickups for once, but I still want a fair bit of output, again think Karnivool/Oceansize kind of stuff. The contenders are, I suppose, anything from the Vintage Hot section, but I'm also looking at a Holydiver and a Rebel Yell. I've heard really good things about Black Dogs in baritone guitars, but not sure if it's going to be the right fit for an alder Tele. I'm mainly looking for versatility in the bridge pickup, it's going to be my go to pickup for most things, so I need a good balance of everything. I want a really solid rhythm tone, tight low end, nice crunchy mids, and not abrasive highs, but won't get 'boomy' down low, especially on the extended scale. Also, something with a lot of clarity and note definition, down low and up high, and it needs to split very well. I'll most likely be using it split as much as in full humbucker mode. Maybe something like a lower output Nailbomb? But I only say that because I've heard it's so versatile. There's so many to choose from, I really don't know, so again any and all help is appreciated.

I've probably forgotten to mention something, even though I've typed up a huge wall of text. I'm just looking to be pointed in the right direction, please help :)
« Last Edit: March 02, 2013, 09:46:45 AM by littlemurph7976 »

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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 12:51:41 PM »
I'll vote for the Holydiver. Clarity, tightness, versatile.

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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2013, 10:47:39 PM »
I would highly recommend a tapped nailbomb in the bridge. Add a switch to select single coil or humbukker mode.
Love the Tele by the way :)

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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2013, 05:16:01 AM »
emerald?
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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2013, 02:05:39 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys!
I'll vote for the Holydiver. Clarity, tightness, versatile.
I think I'm leaning more towards the vintage hot side of things, there's still that inclination to try lower output pickups in the back of my mind that I just can't shake. How well does the HD split? Any input on the neck Piledriver and how well it'd balance with a bridge HD?

I would highly recommend a tapped nailbomb in the bridge. Add a switch to select single coil or humbukker mode.
Love the Tele by the way :)
Thanks! A friend of mine has a Nailbomb in the bridge of a Squier Tom Delonge strat, which I think is also alder, and while it doesn't sound bad, it sounds a bit 'too much' for what I'm thinking of. Maybe too compressed? I'm not really sure. I'm wanting something a lot 'warmer' sounding and definitely more 'organic'. I'll try and find some clips of the sort of tone I'm looking for.

emerald?
How does the Emerald handle the higher gain stuff? I'd totally overlooked that one, focusing more on the BD's and the VHII. The description certainly seems to suit me, clarity and punch, with a fair amount of output, while still having some organic crunch and purr to it. Although, the EQ curve doesn't appeal to me at first glance, it seems to have a lot of highs, I'd like something possibly more balanced. Do you have first hand experience with one? Also do you know how well it splits, and how it's balance with a neck Piledriver?

Also how do all of these handle the extended scale length?

Apologies for the barrage of questions :)
« Last Edit: March 08, 2013, 02:07:21 PM by littlemurph7976 »

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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2013, 02:22:05 PM »
I'm thinking Emerald on this as well.  Wouldn't call it bright, would call it tight, clear and articulate (more so than my holydiver bridge, tho the diver has more punch).  Love how the em sounds in standard but one of my first thoughts after hearing it was how great it would be for lower tunings.  It splits quite nicely, has a very tele-esque vibe whilst being split.  I've got a holydiver bridge as well and don't think it would do lower tunings as well as Emerald.  Diver has more punch, emerald has more crunch.

No experience with Piledriver neck unfortunately, hope I've been of some help.
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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2013, 12:27:58 AM »
I'm thinking Emerald on this as well.  Wouldn't call it bright, would call it tight, clear and articulate (more so than my holydiver bridge, tho the diver has more punch).  Love how the em sounds in standard but one of my first thoughts after hearing it was how great it would be for lower tunings.  It splits quite nicely, has a very tele-esque vibe whilst being split.  I've got a holydiver bridge as well and don't think it would do lower tunings as well as Emerald.  Diver has more punch, emerald has more crunch.

No experience with Piledriver neck unfortunately, hope I've been of some help.
You certainly have, thankyou sir. You say the Emerald has more crunch, but does it still retain clarity? Also, what guitar do you have the Emerald in?

I'm very much leaning towards an Emerald/Piledriver combo here, especially after reading that last post about the splitting and everything. Anyone have anymore thoughts on the extra scale length/output issues/coil tapping the Emerald?

Also, the sound clips I've found on youtube and the like have been very limited, anyone have any other sound clips of either pickup?

Thanks

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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2013, 12:30:48 AM »
Also, apologies for the double post, it won't let me edit my last one :(

I'm a big fan of extended chords, so clarity between strings is very important, I like to be able to hear all of the notes in a chord without the bottom strings over powering, something I'm even more wary of on the extended scale. How does the Emerald handle note separation?

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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2013, 05:15:58 AM »
very nicely, listen closely to the rhythm on the modern metal soundclip, very nice string definition with ample crunch
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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2013, 08:31:04 AM »
No BKP will sound muddy, I own the Painkiller and the Holydiver and both are great on chords, way better than the Duncans I owned.

Just listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVxaVVZrd0

1:30. You can pretty much expect that chord definition from every BKP :)

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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 11:59:35 AM »
Great stuff. One of my all time favourite tones, one's that you just hear and they blow you away, has to be on this video at around the 4.10 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjGZPTy2biY

I looked up the output for the Crunchlab, and it's just a little less than the Emerald, making me think I'm in the right ballpark for resistance. But on top of that, the Emerald is Alnico V so I'm thinking it'll be a lot more organic and warm sounding, yes? It won't have that almost brittle clang that Ceramic pickups have? If so, I'm pretty much sold.

Still not sure of the Piledriver neck though, nobody has any input on that? If not, I can always post a new thread up specifically on that pickup, maybe everybody is intimidated by the stupid amount of writing I've put in this thread :haha:

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Re: New p'ups for a Fender Blacktop Baritone Telecaster
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2013, 12:00:54 AM »
No one anything to say about the Piledriver?
Or anything else to say about the Emerald? How it splits?
How well both pickups will compliment each other, or not?