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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2013, 10:54:32 PM »
My energy is being wasted trying to open this $%&#ing wine bottle

Get screw tops.  They're so much easier.
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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2013, 07:07:37 AM »
Was too young to remember any of it thus have no plans of jumping on the bandwagon of emotional bias that I see written by many on my facebook feed.

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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2013, 10:57:15 AM »
I have extremely mixed feelings about her time as Prime Minister as it goes. The sense of relief at the time she was ousted was memorable. Its true she achieved a great deal of positive things, but at a cost, and appeared almost megalomaniacal at the end.

I see nothing to celebrate in the death of a frail old lady. Her death changes little, and I feel sorry for her family.

Agree that the media appears to be putting a deliberately positive slant on her time in power, and todays Conservative MPs are being rather opportunist. I also wonder if there would be plans for such a grand funeral if a Labour government was in power.
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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2013, 01:02:18 PM »
Agree that the media appears to be putting a deliberately positive slant on her time in power

The phone-ins on Radio 5 Live (other radio stations are available...) may have helped redress the balance, there were some very strong feelings expressed, on both sides but perhaps more so from those on the anti-Thatcher side.

And there have been some newspapers taking a different view - the Morning Star and Socialist Worker, for starters!  Even the Sun has a curiously disrespectful front page headline today.
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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2013, 10:43:09 PM »
Hi gwEm,
I'm not celebrating the death of a frail old lady.
I'm celebrating the end of a tyrant
During her lifetime she caused misery to thousands of families.
Surely when Stalin popped his clogs there was a few vodkas downed, the odd bottle of chianti drained when Mussolini was doubletapped in the chest, a stein or two quaffed when Adolfs demise was announced?

No doubt her family are bereft.
Let's face it, Mark no longer has a former head of state to protect him from the consequences of his financing of the failed coup in oil rich Equatorial Guinea (and the grassing up of his mate and leaving him to rot in a Malabo jail, the little tinker!), or sort out his South African arrest and the Americans refusal of his visa to visit his kids.

I'm not at home at the moment but I can only imagine how the media managers are spinning around.
On the one hand they have to be seen to be siding with the people that pay for their services.
As far as I can make out from internet babble it's more anti than pro thatch.
And on the other they have to pander to the opinions of their owners.
I'll bet Rebecca Brooks is breathing a sigh of relief she no longer has to chair that video conference with her boss (another old pal of Maggies).

I'm not jumping on any bandwagon here guys.
I've set up with the band a long time back.
I've plugged the Goldtop into the half stack and we're rockin' the house.

Ding dong the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead....
cheer up guys it's a happy time!

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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2013, 12:17:06 AM »
Hi gwEm,
I'm not celebrating the death of a frail old lady.
I'm celebrating the end of a tyrant
During her lifetime she caused misery to thousands of families.
Surely when Stalin popped his clogs there was a few vodkas downed, the odd bottle of chianti drained when Mussolini was doubletapped in the chest, a stein or two quaffed when Adolfs demise was announced?

Ding dong the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead....
cheer up guys it's a happy time!

I'm gonna hate myself for saying this but...

That last post and its comparisons beggars belief, what an unmitigated, pathetic, stream of childish vitriol & bile.

This is a democracy.

And one which Labour have governed for 13 years through an economic boom, without any interference from that ex-PM you hate so much.

Which of her changes did they even try to roll back?
How much of the City of London deregulation did they correct?
How many PFIs did they dismiss?
How much manufacturing returned to our devestated industrial heartland?

How much social housing did Labour build?

F**k all.

Your celebrations would have been entirely understandable on the day she was ousted (BTW- I had little but dislike for her at the time.) but the things you've said, the reasons you've given for your joy. They just don't apply on her death.

You must be drunk from booze or blinded by your bitterness because if you're not...

You're just a nasty ****
« Last Edit: April 10, 2013, 12:27:03 AM by Afghan Dave »
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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2013, 09:16:57 AM »
Wise words from Afghan Dave, well said.  I think the same view applies to a lot of the folk who are spitting hatred out right now.

I'm appalled by the hostile reaction to her death by all levels of society.

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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2013, 09:19:13 AM »
I would hope it would be locked now.  Or perhaps everyone could do the decent thing and not respond below this post.  8)
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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2013, 01:27:27 PM »
I would hope it would be locked now.  Or perhaps everyone could do the decent thing and not respond below this post.  8)
Would have been best to just let this thread die on the operating table. Judging from the title, it's just troll bait and deliberately inflammatory.

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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2013, 05:00:34 PM »
^ that's a cool avatar! Who is it?
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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2013, 05:53:35 PM »
Its from an old AD&D module called The Secret of Bone Hill drawn by Bill Willingham - How sad am I to know that!
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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2013, 06:14:39 PM »
Its from an old AD&D module called The Secret of Bone Hill drawn by Bill Willingham - How sad am I to know that!
Not sad -- awesome!! :)

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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2013, 08:54:34 PM »
Oh dear.
You ladies did spend lot of time in the soft play area didn’t you?

Once again gents, if the subject is not to your liking then don’t click on the link. It’s only the internet. Joining in is your choice, as is not joining in.
 But you know you want to.
Not troll bait.
Inflammatory. Yeah I can see how my, and apparently a lot of others opinion of the woman could be seen as such.

Any mods want to lock the thread please feel free.

Ah Dave, I’m glad you’re here.
You aren’t afraid to state a strongly held opinion and I would rather somebody comment on the woman and her legacy than just get their panties in a bunch over my thoughts and feelings. Calling me “nasty ****” notwithstanding.
I get that on a daily basis. And I’m not even in the Police! (<-See Ian, that’s what I would call not good forum etiquette)

Yes Dave I am very aware of it being a democracy.
I have been voting for 30 years.

I have also taken to the streets in protest, as is my right in our democracy.
Stood with banners at the introduction of foreign nuclear weapons being brought into my country, and tried to prevent Sheriffs Officers from throwing families into the street (literally) under the auspices of a law that even Philipino dictator Ferdinand Marcos found so unjust he wouldn’t apply it.

A democracy that Mrs Thatch tried her level best to skew in the favour of a number of wealthy party donors and fellow xenophobes at the expense of hard working, tax paying British citizens.
A democracy that others before us fought and died for.
A democracy that that bitch wanted to take away so that she and her favoured could profit.
It was a hard time in the UK then for a working class family.
If you want a feel for it then go watch "Brassed Off" or "The Full Monty".
Easily digestible Thatcherism for those of you too young or too sensitive to actually experience it.

Completely agree with you on all the other things you said (apart from the PFI thing which I don’t understand)

Labour did very little to try to mend the devastated industry in this country that Mrs T caused.
Banks were allowed to do what they wanted and council houses became a partnership with private businesses.
All policies that Maggie introduced and Tony did nothing to change.
I remember the day he was elected.
In his first address to the media he name-checked Thatcher and called her a great leader.
And I thought to myself “ Ah bollocks. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.
Got to admit though, John Major worked hard to undo the divide she created within her own party and with other political parties. Even had a go at helping NGO's when they were something of use.

Hey, you should have seen my celebrations the day she was ousted.
77 degrees South on the Antarctic ice shelf after being stuck in the ice for 2 weeks not moving more than 1 metre in any direction.
What a party.
Even the tory boys joined in.
Helped bulldoze a ramp up an ice cliff the next day and officially named it Maggies ditch.

The mess that evil woman inflicted on a huge number of people does not become mitigated on her death.
It doesn’t bring back the 300 odd Argentinians that died on the sinking of the Belgrano under her direct orders.
Sitting in the tea shack reading the Gotcha headline that Monday morning was sickening.

Celebrating a death?

Tell you what, see when Tebbit carks it......you guys might not want to log in.

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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2013, 09:24:48 PM »
This stuff has been all over the tinterweb.  What I can't get my head round is how anyone can defend the woman based on the actions she took while in office which is a legacy we're still living with today. 

Politicians are screwed-up anyway, two cheeks of the same arse - choice? what choice?  You get the same thing no matter who you vote for (to a large extent).  One big thing you cannot argue with is the improvement in schools under Labour.  Schools were shockingly bad when I was a kid (80s), crumbling and under-funded.  Mine was a failing school, the teachers were useless and couldn't give a shite which was reflected in the exam results.  The improvement by the late 90s when I'd worked in some of them was notable with a much improved attitude from the teachers too.


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Re: Tramp the dirt down
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2013, 09:35:31 PM »
If you want harsh, listen to George Galloway's response...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek5zaZz5OWs&feature=youtu.be

Mind, I can't say I disagree with a word either.