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Re: Micro Terror vs 44 Mag. Also- wah stuff.
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2013, 01:07:36 PM »

Yeps I was mostly thinking of the more modern (usually optical) wahs like morleys, ibanez WD or even the cheapo artec APW7 (well, not exactly optical for this last one but yet pot-free), that have (or can bet setup to have) a flatter taper, longer course and usually a less pronounced resonance peak, which I find to work better for hi-gain material. Now this is very obviously a "what works for me"  statement, and I have to add that the BBE just smokes the basic current production Vox and Cry Baby models (or just any current "signature" Cry Baby as far as I'm concerned <g>) whatever the gain level.

@tekbow : the only fuzz I tried the BBE with is an homemade germanim / silicon hybrid based on the BigMuff, worked ok as far as I'm concerned but that's definitly not my territory so don't count this as an educated opinion.

Just my 2 cents...

I totally agree with you, the BBE is a cracking wah, and I'm definitely not disparaging them (vox/cb in general) just what dunlop tend to do with their sig wahs and the general lack of variety in the market.

The fuzz thing only really applies to pure germanium pedals, any Ge fuzzface or tonebender i have tends not to get on with wahs, if placed after them, and if placed before, the wah becomes less natural and more synthy, which is typical. Big muffs never had issues with wahs, and IME hybrid Si/Ge types play much nicer with wahs.

Oddly enough, i'm demoing a couple wahs rights now, i just had 2 boomers come back from the states, one with "special sauce" mods (an extensive reworking inside with a bunch of trimmers on the board for setting input level, pedal gain, resonance, output level, good replacement pot but retaining the "feel" of as boomer) and one thats just had a good service and it's pot restored. trying them up against a fulltone standard. hell of a difference in them in terms of character.

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Re: Micro Terror vs 44 Mag. Also- wah stuff.
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2013, 03:52:36 PM »
If you want to use the amp for bass as well, why not think about a compact solid state bass head like this?

It's a lot more expensive than the Orange or EHX, and the EQ will presumably be optimised for bass, but will have loads of headroom and you can still get the distortion & tone controls you want from pedals.

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Re: Micro Terror vs 44 Mag. Also- wah stuff.
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2013, 07:10:29 PM »
Can i ask? what is wrong with your current wah? in what way is it broken?

By the way, just so you know, no crybaby/vox style wah interacts well with traditional style Ge fuzzes, especially after the wah.
My current is the Wylde Cry Baby. I got it for the boost, but it was only designed for overdrive, not monolithic fuzz. The bottom end turns to nonsense and the whole sweep just sounds awful.
It started hissing in bypass and humming like mad with the wah engaged (with no actual guitar signal or wah dynamics), intermittently. Being so dissatisfied with the characteristics, gutting it and building my own in the enclosure as an experiment is preferable to fixing it.
I would want to continue using it as a test box and get a decent wah I can be happy with until I can start modifying the circuit in beneficial ways.

I myself have never had a problem doing high gain stuff with vintage/vintage styled wahs, however what you're saying holds weight because a lot of modern metal guys do prefer what you're describing. In that case i'd go with a Morley or other optical wah which aren't my cup of tea exactly because of the flatter taper, but may suit the OP down to the ground.
I hate the Morley stuff. It's barely there until you hit the toe to the floor and it just turns nasally and shrill.

Now this is very obviously a "what works for me"  statement, and I have to add that the BBE just smokes the basic current production Vox and Cry Baby models (or just any current "signature" Cry Baby as far as I'm concerned <g>) whatever the gain level.

@tekbow : the only fuzz I tried the BBE with is an homemade germanim / silicon hybrid based on the BigMuff, worked ok as far as I'm concerned but that's definitly not my territory so don't count this as an educated opinion.

Just my 2 cents...

I totally agree with you, the BBE is a cracking wah, and I'm definitely not disparaging them (vox/cb in general) just what dunlop tend to do with their sig wahs and the general lack of variety in the market.

The fuzz thing only really applies to pure germanium pedals, any Ge fuzzface or tonebender i have tends not to get on with wahs, if placed after them, and if placed before, the wah becomes less natural and more synthy, which is typical. Big muffs never had issues with wahs, and IME hybrid Si/Ge types play much nicer with wahs.
Good to hear the BBE plays well with Germanium. I prefer silicon, but it's nice to have the option.
I love the synthy fuzz into wah tone. While it'd be nice to have the ability to hear it through the fuzz, it's less important than it being able to not turn gross with fuzz being bulldozed through the circuit.

If you want to use the amp for bass as well, why not think about a compact solid state bass head like this?

It's a lot more expensive than the Orange or EHX, and the EQ will presumably be optimised for bass, but will have loads of headroom and you can still get the distortion & tone controls you want from pedals.
Too expensive for something to chuck in a backpack. I'd quicker get a used Acoustic Control head and mount straps on it.
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Re: Micro Terror vs 44 Mag. Also- wah stuff.
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2013, 09:38:40 PM »
Good to hear the BBE plays well with Germanium.

Just to make things clear : I have  _not_ tried it with a pure Ge fuzz - as I mentionned it was with an hybrid Ge/Si circuit, the first and last trannies being Si and the whole circuit (BigMuff based) way less dependant on the guitar / amp impedances than early Ge fuzz circuits. But if you're using a Si fuzz you shouldn't have any particular problem, except eventually for the fuzz just acting as a sonic caterpillar like that good ole BigMuff : whatever in, BigMuff out :xD

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Re: Micro Terror vs 44 Mag. Also- wah stuff.
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2013, 11:24:30 PM »
Finally got around to reading through that thread you posted, Tekbow. Lots of excellent information and even better recommendations.
Now I'm staring at the Wilson, Chicago Iron, Fulltone, and Teese wahs with my shoulders in a permanent shrug.
I might still get the BBE to tide me over since the wife wouldn't be as upset as she would if I bought the Chicago Iron Para-Baby PCB to build my own.

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Re: Micro Terror vs 44 Mag. Also- wah stuff.
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2013, 11:41:24 PM »
ahhh.. another victim falls to the wah thread...

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Re: Micro Terror vs 44 Mag. Also- wah stuff.
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2013, 01:03:25 AM »
I'm thinking you'd be better off with the 44 than the MT.

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Re: Micro Terror vs 44 Mag. Also- wah stuff.
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2013, 07:00:35 PM »
I point this out every time there is a wah wah thread - you can still pick up original Jen wahs for under £100.  Here's one on eBay for £79.00...  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Jen-Cry-baby-wah-wah-vintage-rare-/330915783585?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d0c1e23a1


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Re: Micro Terror vs 44 Mag. Also- wah stuff.
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2013, 06:15:37 AM »
The only thing about that wah is that the taper won't be right on the pot i don't believe the Hotpotz (I or II) have an ICAR taper (I contend that this is as important to the sound as an inductor) however thats a 15 quid fix. good value that. Not sure what he means about the power jack breaking off (unless he means the battery snap) as Jen crybabys shouldn't really have them. I'm not 100% the inductor is original either.