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Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« on: April 27, 2013, 05:07:09 PM »
Hi to all! I need sincere opinion of guitar players who use this pickups.Bridge and neck also...

Unfortunetaly I have to wait 4 months to order my Nailbomb/Cold Sweat Bare Knuckles(when I `ll be in financial more situated postion)..But in meantime my plans ruins a Paiin.paiiiiin killleeeer,kiiiiiiiileeeeeeeeeeeer!  Hope you do not mind with my Judas Priest connotations with these pickups?  :)


I came from EMG type metal machinery guitarist,and played 81/85 707 and TW707...The reason I deciede to leave EMG`s is they always have something fuzzy/digital in their sound when you wanna play anything a little subtle stuff it pops up...


To shorten the story...
I feel like that Painkiller is next level EMG modern metal sound with that big bottom end(I think they`re passive pickups with biggest meaty tone I ever listen to be honest),but also very clear agressive tone and liquid alike when soloing,BUT with more organic feeling.

With what you are agree or disagree with me with me?And what is in your opinion reason why you chose Painkiller?

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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2013, 07:34:47 PM »
I use the Cold Sweat bridge /Painkiller neck combo in the work we do with Blackmachine and I confess it to be one of my favourite combinations



The CS is crunchy and remains organic and the PK neck is a great fluid shred pickup with a nice sharp tightness thanks to the ceramic magnet
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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2013, 11:35:57 PM »
I use the Cold Sweat bridge /Painkiller neck combo in the work we do with Blackmachine and I confess it to be one of my favourite combinations



The CS is crunchy and remains organic and the PK neck is a great fluid shred pickup with a nice sharp tightness thanks to the ceramic magnet
Wow,what a beautiful guitar!Thanks for your comment.Can you post sound clip of neck pickup when soloing please?

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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2013, 11:22:40 AM »
Is it possible that no one here using Painkiller pickups? Come one people,share you thought,experiences and if possible some clips! Cheers to all. :) :shock:

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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2013, 01:35:16 PM »
Sorry but I don't really know Painkillers at all. When I started reading your post I was immediately thinking of Black Hawks; have you considered those. I did consider Painkillers a while ago but I've read about them being described as 'ice-picky' a few times which didn't sound like me so I went with a Miracle Man instead. The Miracle Man certainly has a bottom end with aggression that is more 'smooth' than 'ice-picky'.
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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2013, 07:47:58 PM »
Sorry but I don't really know Painkillers at all. When I started reading your post I was immediately thinking of Black Hawks; have you considered those. I did consider Painkillers a while ago but I've read about them being described as 'ice-picky' a few times which didn't sound like me so I went with a Miracle Man instead. The Miracle Man certainly has a bottom end with aggression that is more 'smooth' than 'ice-picky'.
From official clips,and some youtube Blackhawks sound like they are more in mid tones,they are very articulate and jazzy which is good and I like them in a certain way,like i love every Bare Knuckle so to speak.. :lol: .But Painkillers to my ears have more liquid high tone that reminds me of EMG`s and also bigger bottom end(on the official BK clips than any other)and surgic tight mids....

Maybe that ice picky description is the same as liquid tone i was talking about? :x

And Miracle man somehow sound too compressed and sharp on high tones which somehow distract me from thinking of buying them.

I would be happy If someone who using PK`s can tell me little more how theys sound and react,and as I always saying at the end,any sound clip would be very nice with some rhythm,solo,clean examples. :)
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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2013, 10:20:00 PM »
It will 100% depend what the timbers and the scale length of the guitar is as to how you will perceive the Painkillers, and also how low you will be tuning
They are overwound and near symmetrical so they have a lot of mids.
They do have a cutting top end but it is usually balanced against a fat mid tone in most guitars.

To my ears imagine a Cold Sweat bridge with a more dense midrange.
The neck is very nice and flutey but with a crisp edge that makes it good for shredding.
If you've ever tried an EMG81 at the neck position it is similar territory.

I know mainly in regular tuning, drop D and straight D - lower than that is a bit alien to me.
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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 11:24:26 AM »
It will 100% depend what the timbers and the scale length of the guitar is as to how you will perceive the Painkillers, and also how low you will be tuning
Well I have this 7 String guitar: http://www.schecterguitars.com/International/Products/Guitar/Hellraiser-C-7-FR.aspx

Tuned to A so 1 whole step than regural tuning.

They are overwound and near symmetrical so they have a lot of mids.
I do not mind that,just not to get to much shhhh like Blackhawks,i tried to say not to get to dominant without having a big bottom end.

They do have a cutting top end but it is usually balanced against a fat mid tone in most guitars.
This guitar is Mahagony /quilted maple and rosewood(pretty heavy I must say)and have a lot of dark tone i think if it is not the sound of EMG 707 TW more than wood tone. :?

To my ears imagine a Cold Sweat bridge with a more dense midrange.
The neck is very nice and flutey but with a crisp edge that makes it good for shredding.
If you've ever tried an EMG81 at the neck position it is similar territory.
You are talking about Cold sweat neck know?

I know mainly in regular tuning, drop D and straight D - lower than that is a bit alien to me.
I like D tuning,and I am in D,but with one extra string.  :)



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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 10:05:31 PM »
Cheers mate,

feel free to read my short review about the Painkiller:

https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=29572.msg383531#msg383531

Here's a clip of the neck version, made by forum member Witeter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEl6E83gnJc

I don't have any clips recorded with the Painkiller unfortunately due to my lack of time and proper recording gear. The Bridge however is amazing, tight, clear, aggressive. I wouldn't say it has a big bottom end, it's rather the "tracks triplets like a mofo" pickup with lots of high mids, almost like a Marshall in a small metal box. Just read my review ;)
I'd describe the neck as bluesy, with enough girth to overcome the flabiness some neck Pus seem to have due to the increased string signal, however my experience only comes from clips I've heard so far. Don't worry about it failing to keep up with EMGs, that thing will make you hate actives once you use it. Just be sure not to put it into an overly bright instrument, I'd imagine it being too abrasive then.

Hope that helps, good luck!

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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2013, 05:00:20 AM »
I have to tell you.  Painkillers are my favorite Bare Knuckle pickups.  I have them in a silverburst Gibson Nighthawk, and I play that guitar pretty much exclusively.  Its the cheapest guitar I own, but it is something about the painkillers that gives me that extra umph when I am shredding. 

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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2013, 10:55:34 AM »
Cheers mate,

feel free to read my short review about the Painkiller:

https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=29572.msg383531#msg383531

Here's a clip of the neck version, made by forum member Witeter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEl6E83gnJc

I don't have any clips recorded with the Painkiller unfortunately due to my lack of time and proper recording gear. The Bridge however is amazing, tight, clear, aggressive. I wouldn't say it has a big bottom end, it's rather the "tracks triplets like a mofo" pickup with lots of high mids, almost like a Marshall in a small metal box. Just read my review ;)
I'd describe the neck as bluesy, with enough girth to overcome the flabiness some neck Pus seem to have due to the increased string signal, however my experience only comes from clips I've heard so far. Don't worry about it failing to keep up with EMGs, that thing will make you hate actives once you use it. Just be sure not to put it into an overly bright instrument, I'd imagine it being too abrasive then.

Hope that helps, good luck!

I read your info,and also thanks for answering to my questions.That was of big help.
My Hellraiser 7-Fr has a mahagony body mixed with quilted maple,maple neck,and rosewood fretboard so I think after all guitar have balanced sound slightly towards to the dark,warmth sound area I think.
I like that pickups are going in a little sharp abrasive territory,I think it need a little bit if you wanna play bad ass riff Pantera like. :) I heard a soloing neck clip and it sure reminds of EMG when soloing I must say.

When I listen demo clips from Official BK site,to me Nailbomb has a more character and mids spitting fire,but somehow compare to Painkiller sound less articulate,tight and  softer in bass response.
I know Bare Knuckles are crushing almost all pickups in industry but I am not sure how mean in bass response they can go.Painkiller to me have a bigger bass response from any passive pickups i heard so far,but do not know can they compete with EMG 81/707TW?

I would be nice if someone who use Painkiler and EMG`s can tell me,if there is such a person here?  :)


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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2013, 10:56:48 AM »
I have to tell you.  Painkillers are my favorite Bare Knuckle pickups.  I have them in a silverburst Gibson Nighthawk, and I play that guitar pretty much exclusively.  Its the cheapest guitar I own, but it is something about the painkillers that gives me that extra umph when I am shredding.

Thanks bro,for your opinion.Much appreciated. :P

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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2013, 05:17:37 PM »
Is it possible that no one here using Painkiller pickups? Come one people,share you thought,experiences and if possible some clips! Cheers to all. :) :shock:
No fear...  I use a calibrated set of PKs in my ESP NT-II, 4 conductor, coil tapped.

Straight up, the only beef I have with 'em is in coil tap mode, the neck sounds anemic.  That's it that's all.

Now, onto the real gods - these pups are in a guitar full step down drop C, 11s for strings, heavy bottom EBs.  The guitar is used primarily with an Uberschall TwinJet, VH4 and Hagen.  The pups were an incredible addition to the guitar from its stock SD pups.  What are they like?  Really powerful but without too much compression (like that of the MMs, just my opinion, nothing more nothing less).  I don't feel they're at all pigeonholed into the Judas Priest context of music whatsoever.  I play a lot of prog metal, some finger pickin' jazzy bits, and straight up hard rock with these.  They've got a real nice ceramic sounding midrange bite.  In the neck position, they're rich and loud, with that warmer flutey style of tone.  They really sound nice through everything, and have been employing this guitar as one of my main Axe-II guitars - the Axe-II being exceptionally sensitive to pups.

Strong mid voice, medium bottom but held very tight, excellent for chugga palm muting styles of music, ring openly with nice string distinction.  In the real higher gain settings, they're still rich - not squishy and fizzed out.  You can still feel the "bulk" of the tonal chords being pushed through the amp.  I love their response - fast, articulate, and punchy.  I was warned these were love/hate pups - in this particular guitar, they sound awesome - clear and bright, but not shrill. 

Hope this helps.
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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2013, 07:21:48 PM »
Soo... I recorded a quick poor quality sample of the Painkiller. This is my Jackson 93 Fusion with the PK Bridge through a cr@ppy Vox Metal Amplug Headphone amp into Audacity. Remember the quality is poor (can't offer anything better though) and excuse my sloppy playing. Maybe it helps.

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Re: Your opinions about Painkiller pickups?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2013, 11:04:42 PM »
Just read everything again and realised you're talking about a Seven String Guitar. Although this is "Djent", it gives you a good example of Painkillers on lower tunings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPEOyWyXl4M&playnext=1&list=PLAyQ7rxpD54AodZid68Ew2mCQYNMliocd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTK3W5PDwe4

I always liked them more than Aftermaths. They have less of that "squacky" dry Djent tone and sound more Death Metal, if that makes any sense. Anyhow, I don't know how much you'll like my clip I posted in the previous response but I really can only recommend Painkillers! I'm only downtuned to E Flat Standard and it sounds amazing.
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