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Love my Abraxas...but
« on: May 28, 2013, 06:10:24 AM »
I think I need a bit more push on the preamp end.  Here's what I love about the Abraxas:

-splits extremely well; sparkles through my amp and sounds great with medium gain.
-clear and biting tone with fairly tight bass and balanced mids/trebles
-toneful and dynamic can almost play every style convincingly, but best applications seem to center around low to upper-medium gain tones.
-does NOT sound like Santana.

I guess I'm looking for more of the same, but I'm looking for a bit more horsepower under the hood and some added thickness without sacrificing the top end.

I play through a Splawn QR and my own hand built fenderesque amp. I'm the only guitarist in the band and I mainly play lead guitar, but am often tasked with holding down rhythm from time to time. Having a beautiful and soaring lead tone is paramount.   I have to cut through.  Between the Splawn and the V30s, there is no shortage of mid range and he guitar is a lightweight mahogany tele with a bolt on maple neck. For reference, the Abraxas sounds balanced through this rig.

I appreciate the insight!  I highly recommend the Abraxas, btw. In the end, it may be as good as it gets and I'd be fine with that. 
« Last Edit: May 28, 2013, 06:16:21 AM by fdesalvo »

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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2013, 07:01:17 AM »
Survey says.....  Holydiver!
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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2013, 07:08:37 AM »
Haha thanks man.  I think I've narrowed the list to HD, RY, and Crawler so far.  YouTube isn't so helpful; tones of scooped mids tones which I can't/don't use. Guess I'm one of the few that believes you can get heavy tones without removing all the mids. 
« Last Edit: May 28, 2013, 07:30:41 AM by fdesalvo »

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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2013, 07:33:51 AM »
well... technically, by changing specs from A4 to A5 and overwinding it, you would have a nailbomb (doing the same with from the mule spec makes a vhII)

for some reason, the nailbomb and the abraxas are chris george's favorites
check some of his videos on youtube
the tobacco les paul custom on older videos has nailbombs, the sunburst les paul standard has the abraxas set
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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2013, 09:08:32 AM »
Love my Abraxas bridge, too. That combination of creaminess, solid output and open dynamics is a real winner. If you want more output with roughly the same character, Holydiver is what you want. The Holydiver has a bit more output, a bit more mids and a bit more compression. You do lose a bit of that openness that the Abraxas has.

The Alnico Nailbomb may look right from the specs but it is far more aggressive in its overall character than the Abraxas. The Crawler is darker by quite a bit - again good but different. The Rebel Yell is another fine pickup which I really like but it also has a more aggressive vibe to it.

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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2013, 11:58:44 AM »
I'm surprised that no-one has yet recommended a boost pedal  :) If you like the tone of the pickups, but want just more power, a clean boost is great. If you want to generate a bit more mid push for lead moments, there are enormous amounts of different overdrive pedals for that purpose.

You can put a higher output pup there, but it will move away from the 'classic' style voicing.

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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2013, 12:40:49 PM »
Wow, another Splawn QR and V30 user, there's not many of us around by the looks of it  :lol: Most people hate the V30s with Splawn amps for some reason.

If you like the tone of the guitar but just want more push, I think the suggestion above of a boost pedal is a good 1. I've tried alot of ODs and Boosts with my Splawn and have only found 2 or 3 that I actually like with it:

Modified OCD Clone (modified for a bit extra thickness)
Catalinbread Naga Viper Boost
Joyo Sweet Baby OD

I have a pair of Abraxas in a PRS Cu22 but don't personally find them to lack push with my rig.
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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2013, 12:43:56 PM »
Sorry if this appears as a dumb question..but how far from the strings are your pickups? 2mm from the strings when the string is pressed down on the last fret is a good starting point. Or 4mm when the string is played open.

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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2013, 04:49:50 PM »
Edit:  DO NOT READ - (this post was composed under severe caffeine intake)


Lots to respond to - tried multi-quoting, but no luck, so I'll just respond to all. 

First of all, thanks for the generous replies.  The truth is that With my scratch-built amp, I'm 100% happy with the Abraxas - It's basically a clean amp that I built to take pedals and she loves them all it seems.  I have 3 ODs on my board that play really well together and offer a wide pallet of tones from edge-of-breakup, SRV, Classic rock, to heavier tones that still retain dynamics. The pickup is about 2mm from the fretted strings, BTW.  Here's the lineup:

JHS Morning Glory - gritty, edge-of-breakup tones and excellent boost pedal - even with Splawn.
G2D Cream Tone - Fat medium gain rock tone that remains clear and tight.
Dr Scientist The Elements - 2 gain options with shades of colors within each.  Can do high gain, but sounds like a boosted fuzz.  I have it set to the highest extent of the lower gain side.

Now these are all being used through the clean amp - I have a sep loop on my board for the Splawn.  The JHS + Elements sound amazing together and are quiet with both on.  I use these mainly for my single coil tones - and the Abraxas cops one hell of a pissed off tele like this.  And it mates extremely well with the BK 63 Veneer in the neck - the most amazing singlecoil I've played through.

The Elements + G2D is where the Abraxas lives.  This is tight, fat, clear, and soaring tone with tons of dynamics and texture - even with the Abraxas split, but it's not as transparent as the JHS + Elements combo - loses some twang.

Your posts have made me realize that the thing I love most about the Abraxas is its ability to do so many things brilliantly - and as I type this I am realizing that having a dynamic pickup is the key to my happiness (at the moment haha).  What led me on this path and back to y'all is that I've just (re)acquired a Splawn Quickrod and was initially unsatisfied with the tone I was getting.  I remembered the amp being a "set it and forget it type" that sounded constantly great from stage to stage, but couldn't coax the tones I remembered having back then.  I remembered that I was using a 2011 LP Custom that had a Burstbucker 3 in it and another Frankenstrat that was fitted with a JB or Rio Grande BBQ. 

I thought the Abraxas was afraid to let it's balls hang, but yesterday I found some old pics of my first QR (2011) and I was able to zoom in close enough to see where the dials were set.  Once I returned home, I positioned the knobs as depicted and I was back in business (mostly).  There's some loss of thickness/saturation/tightness apparent on the low E, but honestly, I don't think it's enough to warrant a pickup change - and with the Splawn, I can't bring myself to boost it.  I like it as it is and the difference in what I perceiving..well, once I'm out of my apartment and back into the rehearsal room or on stage, all bets are off.  These amps come to life with a little volume and she wasn't getting much of that.  Even then, I could hear that saturated and aggressive voice waiting to be released.  I think volume may be the key and all of my playing with various ODs through my other amp have spoiled me at living room levels.  I bet my neighbors love my new amp!

As an aside, I'll bring another issue to you, since you mutants have proven to be articulate, insightful, and chock full of knowledge :mrgreen:

In my apt, I have an open back Avatar with two of the aforementioned V30s (broken in at the shop).  These guys are not edgy or piercing, but are smooth and full.  Both of my amps sound perfect through this cab, but when I gig, I use a 1960a or a straight cab loaded with G12K100s (an AMAZING speaker for the Splawn).  Both of these cabs sound like warmed over horse poop with my head and it leaves me frustrated.  Being blinded by the obvious, I can't seem to grasp the concept that the speakers are holding the amp back.  At rehearsal the guys always tell me, "Man, that thing is dialed IN!", but I know better.  What do they know anyway?  They don't know about tone!  My bassist's tone is all lower-mids and my singer thinks tone comes from the logo on the amp!  NO! It's thin and overly bright - doesn't have the perceived thickness and gain of my rig at home.  I bought the Splawn because I couldn't get this sounding right live (and because of G.A.S. obviously). 

Maybe it's the speakers - maybe it's the room, or the cab perhaps.  The open back just fills the space with amazing and glorious tone!  It's as though sound is coming from everywhere and it's unreal.  Maybe the closed back is choking the life from my amp.  Maybe those G12T75s are too bright and absent of mids.  To rule this out, I've ordered a quad of the Avatar H60s to retrofit into the 1960a, rendering it a 1960 AV.  This will end my curiosity re: speakers.  Either way the cab will be much improved.  And I still have..the Splawn..

@Brow - yes V30s + Splawn = amazing.  Maybe you and I have lost a certain frequency range in our hearing or the tinnitus is actively canceling out the harshness, but this amp sounds great on top of every cab I've placed it!  Can't say that about my old Stiletto, MKIV/V, or whathaveyou.  I figure if the Splawn likes the 412 with the G12K100s more, then I can just continue using that live and use the 1960a(v) for rehearsal.  I haven't gigged the Splawn yet - only had one rehearsal with it, so I'm stoked to see if it wants to play with the bigger cab.

Sorry if I've failed to address all of your points, my coffee has kicked in and I'm awake!
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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2013, 07:42:48 PM »
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Too late :mrgreen:

(... snip a lot ...) Maybe those G12T75s (...)

As far as I'm concerned : look no further. "thin and overly bright", you named it.
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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2013, 10:33:30 PM »
Cab wise I've had pretty decent luck finding a match for my Splawn.

The amp absolutely hated the G12T75s in my Marshall 2x12 cab, it was screechy and shrill with no weight behind the sound at all. I changed my cab and speakers for my Zilla Fatboy 2x12 with V30s (soon to be 1xV30 and 1x G12H-75 Creamback) and am alot happier with it.

I use it with alot of different cabs depending on where my bands rehearsing, and aslong as I don't get something with G12T75s in, I'm usually happy.

You're right though, these amps really give up the goods at band level compared to bedroom levels.
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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2013, 03:00:02 AM »
With my Splawn I have tried Greenbacks, Blackbacks, V30s, G12H-30s, G1265s and G12T-75s. Only speakers I did NOT like were the G12T. The Blackbacks and Greenbacks are by far my favorites. They are the one speaker I have used that will go from classic crunch to grindy thrash. Syrupy mids and leads galore. They have a real neat tendency to stay nice and open, but compress just enough for clear leads. The G12H could get a little on the bright side, but have a real nice, woody tone and the G1265 was absolutely HUGE and fat. Tone/sound spreads out nicely with the 65's.

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Re: Love my Abraxas...but
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2013, 05:02:05 AM »
Damnit I love you guys.  Great insight all around.