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Morn

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Painkiller on SG special and thicker stringgauge
« on: July 03, 2013, 03:37:04 PM »
Hi there.

I'm thinking about replacing the Gibson 490t and 490r in my Gibson SG special with a pair of BKP Painkillers. In addition, I'd try to equip this guitar with a 7-string-set of strings, ignoring the high e-string, because I'd like to go really low and don't really have the money for a 7-string. 

What do you think? Does the Painkiller match with my SG? I'm sure, some folks here did this before... ;)

I know, the result could be just some mess of sound... Using a thicker gauge doesn't lenghten the scale of the neck... But if somebody has made good experiences with Painkillers combined with an SG in general, I think it's worth a try. If it doesn't work out the way I imagine when I'm alone in the dark, I'd put the BKPs in my ESP LTD H-351NT, for it's equipped with emgs, which (imo) sound too compressed and artifical sometimes. I'd forget about trying the "fake seven string thing" then, too.^^

So, what do you think?

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Re: Painkiller on SG special and thicker stringgauge
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2013, 12:20:20 AM »
To get more responses to the pickup question you should really post it in the pickups section of the forums.

I have an SG with Bare Knuckles in it as do a few others here, so I will give you both the opinion of my own personal guitar and pickup choice and the information I gleaned from others.  SGs are a thin bodied all mahogany guitar and this makes them a little finicky.

You have a Gibson not an Epiphone so I am guessing that it is all mahogany.  You can check this by taking the pickguard and pickups off and looking at the wood.  I've heard that Epiphones are laminated so they might have different tonal characteristics. The following comments apply to mahogany SGs.

1. The Painkiller is not recommended for the SG at all.  If you want something similar - e.g. for djent, or something quite dry and precise for mathcore etc - then the Aftermath is recommended.
2. Warpigs apparently work quite well in SGs.  Use these for big, bassy sounds, tuned down.  Grindcore, Sabbath, etc
3. A lot of 'stoner' guitarists use Riff Raffs, which aren't too different from the standard pickups.
4. The Cold Sweat set works very well in SGs.  I have the CS neck pickup.  A very big improvement on the 490R, that warm mud is a distant memory now.  The CS/AM combo is apparently popular and might be the one for you.
5. The Miracle Man and the SG sound like a match made in heaven.  As the name suggests this gives you an Ozzy type sound, but apparently it is also very good at metal applications that would otherwise use an EMG 81/85 set (but with more character).
6. Both Nailbombs can work well in the SG, at least in the bridge position.  I have heard videos of the ceramic version on youtube and that sounded very good, with less mids than the alnico version.  I have the alnico version, which I really like, but it has a very aggressive punky character.  It might be a good match for you though, depending on what you are looking for.
7. Apparently the Rebel Yell set also works well, and is a good alternative in applications that might otherwise use the Cold Sweat set.

There is some general advice around on mahogany guitars here but it is worth remembering that the SG has quite distinct tonal characteristics arising as much from construction and design as the wood, so go by the advice of people who have actually fitted pickups to their SGs, rather than statements about 'mahogany guitars' etc.  An Explorer or Flying V is a very different beast to an SG.

Mark Lennard from Truth Corroded is an old friend from the Adelaide scene and I can tell you that he has an SG tuned down to B with no problems.  I'm not sure what pickups he has, but in his own words "you gotta rock 56 or 60 to 12 gauges to keep the strings tight"
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Re: Painkiller on SG special and thicker stringgauge
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2013, 06:26:14 AM »
Thanks a lot for the detailed reply! I have to admit, that I was in a hurry and thought that the tech-thread fits my plans on doing something "technical" to my guitar. But your absoluty right, I guess, thinking about it afterwards. ;)

Once again: Thanks a lot!

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Re: Painkiller on SG special and thicker stringgauge
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2013, 01:24:43 AM »
I should add that I have no personal experience of the PK in an SG.  It's just what I picked up from being on here.  You should post your query in the pickups forum.  I'd be interested to read opinions.

I'm thinking of putting Miracle Man or Warpig pickups in my next SG, unless it has P-90s.
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Re: Painkiller on SG special and thicker stringgauge
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2013, 10:10:32 PM »
I just posted in the pickup thread, let's see what happens... ;)