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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2013, 01:20:50 PM »
Sitting at home this morning (waiting for Parcelforce....) I've been reading about the S2 series on the PRS website.  It goes into quite a lot of detail, but it's very reminiscent of reading guitar specs on the Gibson site - everything is talked up very positively, but there are just little hints about savings that are kind of glossed over:

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Wood is the foundation of a guitar’s tone. If you sacrifice the foundation, there is little hope of achieving an exceptional instrument. Believing this, we have chosen the same traditional tonewoods that are used on PRS Core guitars, such as maple tops, mahogany backs and bodies, mahogany necks, and rosewood fretboards. While some of the design and construction methods used in the S2 Series (the neck blank’s starting dimension across the Series and the S2 Custom’s wood grade, for example) allowed us to use less expensive and more readily available woods, no compromise has been made to the tone or integrity of S2 instruments.

So, less expensive and more readily available.... but still maple and mahogany.... but no compromise.  No mention of one-piece bodies (or otherwise).  And what was that bit about "wood grade"?  :? :lol:

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Our PRS S2 locking tuners are used across the S2 Series. These proprietary tuners are reminiscent of our “Phase II” tuners and follow many of Paul Smith’s “tweaks,” including a brass shaft and specially-configured internal construction. The locking mechanism itself is identical to the one used on our Core guitars, which helps the guitar stay in tune.

Reminiscent of... but not the same.  Perhaps the same as the SE tuners, but with added locking mechanisms?

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When designing, sourcing, and building the S2 Series, we were encouraged and excited to build quality instruments that were both inspired by our Core line but also truly new for PRS. We believe this is evident in every detail. If there was a time that we could not share a component with our current Core lineup, we set out to design a new process for ourselves or source new, proprietary components from our partners.

....because it was too expensive.

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That said, the nut, jack assembly, fret wire, electronics knobs, and strings are all shared between our Core and S2 instruments.  It is long-lasting and is comfortable to play. The electronics’ knobs are made in our own proprietary mold, which results in a handsome and ergonomic design.

Good news.  But note it says "electronics knobs", not "electronics, knobs".... a typo, or a hint that the actual electronics are cheaper?  :P


I'm just having a bit of fun with this, but they are definitely playing a game here, dropping hints when they could just have said "the timber is cheaper so we can sell you the guitar cheaper" or "the pickups and hardware are made by our partners in Korea".  They'll say when something is the same as the "Core" (new term that's appeared from nowhere?) US line, but they're a bit coy when it isn't.  Just come out and say it, PRS.  I'll probably still buy the guitar.  :lol:
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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2013, 01:32:28 PM »
These guitars seems to stir up a lot of thoughts and emotions. I can't really understand why still, it's just another guitar line. I do remember whet Porsche launched the Cayenne, there were tons of talk that Porsche diluted it's brand name and it's sporty image. Well, Porsche is on top of it's brand image with better sports cars than ever with the GT3 RS, but at the same time makes more money than before. I see similarities here :D

If you want the full blown PRS experience you have to pay. But to make a guitar cheaper, you have to cut the costs somewhere, otherwise it would still cost the same.

It seems like most people want a US CU24 in the S2 without accepting that they have to cut corners somewhere, and are disappointed that it isn't the same guitar. Of course the S2 isn't, this IS a cheaper model.

I wonder how good an S2 is going to be with a set of Holy Divers in it? :D
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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2013, 01:32:33 PM »
Very good research Phil.  A couple of comments from me on your findings:

* "electronics knobs" - they're talking about the lampshade knobs only.  I would speculate that the pots are import with US spec shafts.
* "less expensive and more readily available woods".  Mahogany and maple is specced, as it is on the SEs.  I would speculate that the woods are far-eastern, possibly even rough cut in the same factory as the SEs and then shipped to the US for final sanding and assembly.

PRS have been very, very naughty with their marketing of the woods used in high end products in recent years and to my eyes it looks like the same team has crafted all the S2 information.  Caveat emptor.....

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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2013, 10:57:09 AM »
good work there philly :)

^ That would suck about the wood (I suspect you're right). One of the major reasons to buy a western- (or japanese-) built guitar, IMO, is to get good quality wood. If you're not getting that...

I suppose it could be african "mahogany", though. That'd be (presumably) a bit cheaper than the south american stuff, but still (again, presumably) a fair bit better than the stuff used on (most) korean-made guitars.

What do you mean about the marketing for the high-end models? I'm not too well up on PRS and haven't been paying too close attention. Assuming you're willing to elaborate and aren't worried about getting sued for libel, lol. :)

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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2013, 11:05:02 AM »
It won't be African mahogany in the S2s.  That's what PRS now use for their regular USA models (they switched from South American quite a few years ago), and they state that the S2 stuff is even cheaper.  This is why I think they're using SE-spec stuff.

The high end wood thing is a long story, but it relates to "sinker mahogany" and "chaltecoco pernambuco".  Google is your friend  ;)

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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2013, 11:42:08 AM »
I love reading these PRS wood (corksniffing) threads  :D ... They confuse me, iritate me and amuse me.. Then my brain goes totally woolly & I realise the sand of my life is draining through the hour glass.  :?

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« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2013, 11:44:47 AM »
I knew you'd like that sort of stuff Dave  ;)

I'm all for sounding good being good, but if I'm being charged a fortune for 50p worth of fence post I'd like to know about it!

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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2013, 11:55:03 AM »
I knew you'd like that sort of stuff Dave  ;)

I'm all for sounding good being good, but if I'm being charged a fortune for 50p worth of fence post I'd like to know about it!

I accept your point but I bet you'd crawl on your bleeding knees for Billy Gibbons' "Muddywood” guitar, made from salvaged wood from Muddy Waters cabin... possibly fence posts.  :lol:
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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2013, 11:56:32 AM »
:lol:  Nice work, sir  ;)

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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2013, 12:07:50 PM »
I don't really care what the wood is, so long as it sounds good - it only bothers me because they use strange "Emperors New Clothes" names to avoid saying what it actually is.
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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2013, 12:27:09 PM »
Modern life consists of us..

Buying "Cod" and eating Pangasius catfish..

Buying "Beef" and eating horse..

Voting either Labour/Tory/Liberal to sort out this mess and getting a coalition...

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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2013, 12:32:37 PM »
Reading through this I think that if this was the route I wanted to go I'd buy an SE and throw a hipshot bridge and some VHIIs on it, rather than one of these.
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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2013, 01:22:01 PM »
I just got an email from GuitarGuitar - the S2 Custom 24 is available to pre-order for the princely sum of Ģ1,249 (expected delivery 22 July).

I don't know what any of us were expecting them to cost, but it's not exactly cheap, is it?  A big hike up from the SEs.  But then again, I suppose a new "Core" ( :lol:) Cu24 is about Ģ2,400 nowadays.

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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2013, 01:30:44 PM »
Hipshot bridge, VHIIs, locking tuners and a refret then ;) Or, you know, a Japanese ESP
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Re: New PRS Series - Itīs USA and mid priced!
« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2013, 01:36:34 PM »
^ I'd take the ESP...