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BKP in an Ibanez Universe (Report)
« on: July 12, 2013, 01:29:23 PM »
Hi everybody,

I just want to make a little report on my experience with getting some Bare Knuckles, for whatever it's worth. The last two paragraphs are probably the interesting ones.

I got myself an Ibanez Universe, it's a UV777P, I think 2003, and I found the factory Vai pickups to be absolutely dreadful. TBH it was the first time I've really thought much about pickups on a guitar, other than singles vs humbuckers. I'm also not primarily a guitarist, I should note. After some deliberation I found that BKP would likely be the best choice and went on to research what pickup would suit me and my guitar best. My music being heavy/power/progressive metal and the guitar of course being a basswood body seven string. I use regular gauge, standard tuning.

I learned that wood quality and type would have a significant impact on what choice pickup would fit, and this made my choice a bit harder. But many accounts from this forum pointed to Holy Divers, Nailbombs, Aftermaths being top choices that would work, and also suit my tastes as I really like that fat middy tone. I mostly like to use the neck position for leads and solos though, and seeing as I love the old neo-classical sound the Cold Sweat seemed like a splendid choice for that, and accounts from this forum supported the for basswood too. I also decided to get a PAT Pend 63 for mid position as I found its sound clips on the site most appealing; very sparkly and nice.

Ultimately I went for a Aftermath in bridge position, Cold Sweat in neck and by recommendation of BKP Sales, a Trilogy Suite in mid, in order to better match the output level of the humbuckers. I also changed out the pots, caps, the switch and the jack, as the metal parts on the guitar were a bit worn, and using better electronics could perhaps benefit my tone. BKP were also kind enough to supply me with some nice push back cloth wires for the job, free of charge. See the full order spec at the end of the post.

I had a bit of trouble fitting it all into the snug cavities of the guitar, partly because of the size of the pots and cap from BKP, but mostly because I lacked a wire stripper to properly customize the length of the wiring. I also had to widen the middle pickup hole in the guard a bit. After some bad joints (my first guitar job) I got it up to working order, as per this spec.

First impressions: wow. The Aftermath, both for seven string stuff and in general sounds like all I could ever have dreamt. Present, clear, aggressive, beautiful. From the top of the highs all the way to the bottom. Basswood and Aftermath is thus a golden combination in my book.
Unfortunately the Cold Sweat in neck doesn't woo me. Although it sounds very good, it does sound just a little bit dull. This may be to its lack of mids, which was the main problem with the factory Blazes too, although what's missing here isn't quite the same, so I'm not sure. This could very well be remedied with the right amp, though, something which I have not yet delved deeper into.
I'm also very satisfied with the mid Trilogy Suite, which paired up nicely with the other two. I was afraid it wouldn't be as useful as a real sparkly vintage pickup, but this is actually much more fitting. Positions two and four do exactly what they should, and although the three is a bit noisy, it does sound very nice as well.

All in all I'm very satisfied with my purchase, and especially with the customer service I got prior to making my purchase. The mid SC of course had to be custom made, which to me seems more like made-to-order than custom; I barely had to ask, and the lead time wasn't bad either. Some very helpful clarifications were made and tips given, and I find it hard to imagine myself going to anyone else for pickups in the future. BKP did everything I asked and more, from start to finish, and after a few months I'm still thrilled by the sound of this thing, which went from bland to beastly.

End of essay : )
« Last Edit: July 12, 2013, 01:33:41 PM by klauskirkelein »

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Re: BKP in an Ibanez Universe (Report)
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2013, 01:46:18 PM »
I don't think I've ever got the wiring/polarity totally right in my Ibanez HSH guitars.. but 4 out of 5 positions usually sound good.

I mix brands of pickups though, usually RWRP Trilogy Suite in the middle and one other BKP humbucker in Bridge.

Glad you got it right by getting all BKPs built for the job.
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Re: BKP in an Ibanez Universe (Report)
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2013, 02:33:36 PM »
Yeah, I just said what I wanted and they did all the thinking. I was told the middle needed to be RWRP, but that if I just ordered with the message "HSH Format" then they'd sort it out. For installation I just followed their schematic. Very nice to just be able to ask, and not search the internet for hours or experiment yourself.

One point of confusion though was how I should set up the Aftermath, since alone it doesn't matter which way you put it. I set it with the back plate text the same way as the neck, but what I noticed is that this way its outer coil is working when in fourth position, so I guess I should have reversed it. I haven't bothered flipping it over yet, and it sounds good anyways...

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Re: BKP in an Ibanez Universe (Report)
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2013, 03:00:50 PM »
One point of confusion though was how I should set up the Aftermath, since alone it doesn't matter which way you put it. I set it with the back plate text the same way as the neck, but what I noticed is that this way its outer coil is working when in fourth position, so I guess I should have reversed it. I haven't bothered flipping it over yet, and it sounds good anyways...
That actually is the way I prefer my HBs as it gives you a tad more tele vibe I feel. Mostly it is a bit more distinct in character from the middle which ultimatly gives me more different sounds.

Try the other one too, but know that it is not better or worse, just more common.
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Re: BKP in an Ibanez Universe (Report)
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2013, 06:28:45 PM »
Unfortunately the Cold Sweat in neck doesn't woo me.

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Re: BKP in an Ibanez Universe (Report)
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2013, 02:48:43 AM »
You should write back to BKP, state what areas exactly you feel the CS neck falls short for your needs, and they can probably recommend another neck pickup and swap it for you if you have not cut the wires or ground away the mountings at all.  They might suggest the RY neck, for example, if you want more mids but otherwise similar.  Best to go ask and give as much info as you can.
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Re: BKP in an Ibanez Universe (Report)
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2013, 03:38:15 PM »
I was just logging in to say this was months ago so the 14 days are long gone. But that's a good tip AO, thanks, I may talk to them and see what they say.

Try the other one too, but know that it is not better or worse, just more common.

Yeah, next time I get it open I think I'll flip it to see how it sounds : )


I can also add that the CS is very thight and clear from top to bottom, so great for a seven string. I'm just not sure it's the optimal choice for the wood, and my specific tastes. I think just a little bit more high mid is what I crave, but again, I think getting the right amp would do a lot, as I'm sitting with lesser stuff right now.
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Re: BKP in an Ibanez Universe (Report)
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2013, 12:15:40 PM »
I can add that I finally tried these babies out in a real rig instead of the various emulations I've been using and trying out. Ran it clean though a Mesa Stiletto and the sound was beautiful.

Even the Cold Sweat which I was hesitant on before really came to life with the high response of a real classy rig like this. Lovely neo-classic-esque tones, but with more presence and vigour, and clear all the way to the bottom. Like a modern version of it.

What I've said about the other pickups still stands, and even more so now.


If I could do it again I wouldn't choose any other pickups for this guitar. If you've a basswood guitar and want some cracking progressive tones then this setup will kill it.

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Re: BKP in an Ibanez Universe (Report)
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2013, 04:08:52 PM »
That's good news indeed. I was surprised at your reaction to the Cold Sweat as it's certainly in the top three of neck humbuckers on this forum and probably in the top two. Good to know she came good in the end.
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Re: BKP in an Ibanez Universe (Report)
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2013, 04:12:16 PM »
I'm still to get a Sykes tone out of my Cold Sweats but I think the problem is my playing style, the amp, and the cab rather than the pickup or the guitar.  Nice pickups though, with very nice cleans and fat lead sounds on the neck
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