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Slartibartfarst42

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More technical pickup questions
« on: July 31, 2013, 09:18:11 PM »
I really appreciated Tim's thread on types of magnet and I recently thoroughly enjoyed learning about the effects of different wires on a pickup's tone. This has got me hungry for more information I could learn to improve my knowledge of tone so I wondered if anyone here could enlighten me with regard to these questions:

1) What is the difference between symmetric and asymmetric coils on both a practical and tonal level?

2) What is the effect of offset coils?

3) How does the shape, thickness, aging and/or treatment of a magnet affect the tone?

4) Does anybody know which BKP humbuckers have what for each of these questions?

Finally, and not pickup related, I believe that a brass block on a trem system gives a beefier tone so does a steel block give a brighter/sharper tone?

Thanks
 
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Re: More technical pickup questions
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2013, 09:52:27 PM »
1) What is the difference between symmetric and asymmetric coils on both a practical and tonal level?
2) What is the effect of offset coils?

disclaimer : the following is what I understand so far and cab be at least partially wrong - please someone correct me if/when necessary ;)

These are really the same question AFAICT. A humbucker is two coils wired reversed phase / reversed polarity (usually series but it also works in parallel). The reversed polarity is supposed to cancel the effect of the reversed phase so hum is cancelled but signal is not, in real life it's a bit more complex partly due to both coils not being in the exact same position so you always get some phase cancellation AND some summation happening depending on the frequency, exact winding and whatnot -  IOW technically a comb filter.

Practically, using an offset coil (aka asymetric winding), you have a bit less hum-cancelling, a bit less of the comb filtre effect hence a more even frequency response, and since one coilhas more output than the other you also get a bit more of a single-coil tone (but the first and main difference between a SC and a bucker still comes from the series wiring and - if you define SC as "Fender type SC" - the internal architecture of the pickup, ie metal plot over a magnet vs magnet plots).

Now I'm already far out of my confort zone so I won't even try to address your other questions :lol:
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Re: More technical pickup questions
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2013, 06:42:38 AM »
My understanding is that the VHII has significantly offset coils which must therefore be why people mention its almost single coil characteristics. Thanks, that's interesting. Any more insights?
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