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Kiichi

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Re: SSH guitars
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2013, 04:54:22 PM »
For me the ouput thing is definetly a factor. Also while I like my necks to not be too dark I think a SC would push it with a HB bridge.

A P90 SS guitar maybe though sound whise, but I think I would rather go for a strat or tele.

That SC HB tele combo could be more to my taste I think.

My fav combo it HSH with splits, I get so much from that it just works for all I want. Especially with a 5 way autosplit and the HBs flipped the way I tend to do.



Did I mention I hate the look of HSS? It is just very wrong to me...
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2013, 07:09:47 PM »
^ Yeah I wouldn't be most keen on the looks of HSS... I only really like it on guitars with pickguards (whereas HSH and HH work either way, IMO).

I think the angled pickup thing (nowadays) is just looks, too. As the others were saying, in the 80s it was done for a reason, now it's just done because it looks more 80s :lol:

I've rewired my guitar several times to try to get it right.  Maybe it's because of the compromise of using 250 or 500 k pots in  order to get the right sound - the SCs in that guitar definitely sounded better with 250 k pots, the HB better with 500 k.  I know that there's electrickery that can be done, but maybe it's that sense of compromise that manufacturers are trying to avoid?

Yeah that might be it- though as you said, if they really cared, they could get round it. Even using the possibly-overkill solution of using different volume knobs for the humbucker and the two singles should work (I think). Then again, that adds cost, and most companies try to cut costs where possible...

Agreed.

I can understand the "It's not a Strat..." argument, to an extent, but I do like HSS.  You retain three of the classic Strat tones, and with a coil split (or even without) you keep most of that funky, quacky character in position 4.  All you lose is the bridge pickup on its own, which is my least favourite Strat tone.

Personally I'm not a fan of HSH, I think the middle pickup gets in the way in that context.  And with two humbuckers and a five-way switch you can get some interesting wiring combinations with series/parallel or using different pairs of coils.

Oh I agree, I really like SSS strats too- when I want an authentic strat type of tone. I'm talking about the people who act like an HSS (or HSH) strat is "wrong", even if it would suit the player in question better. Maybe it's just Ultimate Guitar (I doubt it), but any time someone posts a thread asking about HSS or HSH superstrats there are always one or two smart alecs who post responses along the lines of "Get a Gibson if you want humbuckers/A strat's supposed to have single coils". Which is daft, if you ask me. The guitar is there to suit the player, not the other way round.

Also agreed about HSS- again, a lot of people act like it doesn't sound like a strat at all, which again is daft. In the absolute worst case scenario, as you said, you have 60% authentic strat tones. To be fair, that's not good enough if you need all the authentic strat tones, but then an SSS strat isn't good enough if you also need rockier high gain tones.

I like HH in superstrats more than I used to, as you said, you can get some nice options. I still like HSH, though. :lol:

I do think an SSS strat is a beautiful thing. But I'd be the first to say that a guitar is a tool, and one should go for whatever pickup setup works with your style.

exactly :)
« Last Edit: August 27, 2013, 07:11:21 PM by dave_mc »

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Re: SSH guitars
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2013, 08:00:40 PM »
I like a single coil in the bridge and a 'bucker in the neck. Well, I always liked Teles with that set-up, anyway.

I concur



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Re: SSH guitars
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2013, 08:27:02 PM »
Taste is indeed something individual  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I HATE the HSH look, makes me think of the 80's glam look that I don't dig, or worse, makes EVERY f@#$ing axe look like a damn cheap Ibanez  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, I can't look to a custom Suhr or Tom Anderson in HSH shape without crying... I dig the HH or HSS (but this last one needs a pickguard though)... Also Like the SSS and double P90's too... Hate the HHH Gibsons and the HS charvels.... it's even worse when one of the pups is angled. :shock:

I also dig weird stuff like the jazzmasters, firebirds and so on (no wangcaster plz).

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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2013, 11:01:55 PM »
A HSS-strat retains it's strattiness when you pick carefully the pickups. A splitted Crawler and the middle-IT provide classic quack on the fourth position. I find the result with a splitted VHII and a Mothers Milk not as good, but still convincing and useful.
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Re: SSH guitars
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2013, 12:23:09 AM »
Yeah that might be it- though as you said, if they really cared, they could get round it. Even using the possibly-overkill solution of using different volume knobs for the humbucker and the two singles should work (I think). Then again, that adds cost, and most companies try to cut costs where possible...

What about a 250K pot as master volume for the two single coils and a 500K volume pot for the humbucker?
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Re: SSH guitars
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2013, 12:28:44 PM »
Here's mine. IT's & Crawler combo with Suhr HSS wiring so i got classic Strat tones in positions 1-4 with 250k pots and full humbucker in position 5 with 500k pots.
I've always loved Strats but never really got on with the bridge pickups so this is the perfect compromise for me. As far as versitality goes, it slays all my other guitars.

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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2013, 01:37:52 PM »
I like how with the black pickguard and the zebra pickup it gives you a SSH that looks like a SSS
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2013, 03:15:11 PM »
^ agreed

Yeah that might be it- though as you said, if they really cared, they could get round it. Even using the possibly-overkill solution of using different volume knobs for the humbucker and the two singles should work (I think). Then again, that adds cost, and most companies try to cut costs where possible...

What about a 250K pot as master volume for the two single coils and a 500K volume pot for the humbucker?

That's what I meant, sorry for the ambiguity :lol:

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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2013, 07:26:40 PM »
Here's mine. IT's & Crawler combo with Suhr HSS wiring so i got classic Strat tones in positions 1-4 with 250k pots and full humbucker in position 5 with 500k pots.
I've always loved Strats but never really got on with the bridge pickups so this is the perfect compromise for me. As far as versitality goes, it slays all my other guitars.

Great combination, isn't it? I can play three sets in the coverband without changing guitar. It's my workhorse.
I responded in another thread to your guitar. Looks nice and the zebra makes it a stealth.
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Re: SSH guitars
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2013, 08:07:39 PM »
Here's mine. IT's & Crawler combo with Suhr HSS wiring so i got classic Strat tones in positions 1-4 with 250k pots and full humbucker in position 5 with 500k pots.
I've always loved Strats but never really got on with the bridge pickups so this is the perfect compromise for me. As far as versitality goes, it slays all my other guitars.
That is just about the only HSS I love the look of. That zebra in the bridge just makes it work...cause it looks like a strat now. Cool thing really.
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Re: SSH guitars
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2013, 01:47:24 PM »
^ ^ wow that mxg looks badass

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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2013, 02:33:06 PM »
Here's my swampash MXG Customstrat (handmade by Patrick Eggle) with Crawler and Irish Tours.

I always wondered what that guitar of yours looked like!  :D

Is the top a rosewood veneer or something like that?
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Re: SSH guitars
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2013, 04:43:10 PM »
Classy finish on that MXG.
It was reading this forum that turned me on to IT's/Crawler combo and i couldn't be happier. The scope i can cover with this guitar alone has been the main reason i have now thinned my collection down from 5 to just 2 electrics and used the funds to focus on my pedal board. i get that from a purists point of view an HSS is not a Strat in the traditional sense but for my tastes i've got everything thing i love about Strats - body shape, maple neck, vintage trem and quack but coupled with a big fat humbucker sound when i want it. It's like a Swiss-army do-it-all guitar!

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Re: SSH guitars
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2013, 12:34:29 AM »
Here's my swampash MXG Customstrat (handmade by Patrick Eggle) with Crawler and Irish Tours.

I always wondered what that guitar of yours looked like!  :D

Is the top a rosewood veneer or something like that?

It's an exotic Cocobolo-top. With the light on it, you see some wild patterns, wilder than rosewood. But I agree, it has some touch of rosewood. It looks nice, but I don't think it adds much to the sound. The body is premium swampash, the neck maple and the fretboard ebony. It's quite punchy, but warm and full at the same time, so it's quite balanced. The ash Fender doesn't hold up to this guitar.
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