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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2013, 11:15:28 PM »
When I first looked into pickups for the SG I saw a post on here - which I saw again recently when I was looking over discussions before getting this new one - saying that the Holy Diver was a disaster in the SG, that the mids in the guitar just made it very mushy or something.  It wasn't a case of overbearing but clear mids, which is what I have at present, which works for most hardcore styles, but rather just mush. I read something bad about the Crawlers as well.  The Painkiller was also excluded because the mids were simply too harsh apparently.  The A-Bomb was one of those 'works in some, not in others' pickups.  On the whole I'd say it works in mine, but perhaps the combination of the characteristics of the guitar, pickup, and AMP (remembering that I have a 6534+, the most middy of the Peavey 6505 family of amps and also a high-gain beast quickly sent into overdrive by a hot pickup) gave me that result.

When I first bought the SG there were plans to sell the Explorer but then reading posts here I started getting GAS for a Warpig or Miracle Man! I was also discovering that one guitar couldn't cover all of the stuff I like to play, especially given that much of it is in C#/C standard tuning.  So I needed a guitar that could cover all of that brutal stuff like Autopsy, Bolt Thrower, Napalm Death, or Ahab, as well as Venom, Black Sabbath, and Electric Wizard. I stopped trying to cover that ground with the SG.  The basic problem in the set-up of my SG was that I was trying to cover too much ground, and so I went with what I thought would be most versatile (turns out it wasn't so versatile, at least with my guitar and amp) and combined it with what I thought would be the neck pickup that would be my favourite, the Cold Sweat (being a lover of the work of John Sykes and seeing people using it here for all kinds of applications).  The problem is that the Cold Sweat is not a great match for the Nailbomb, at least for the way the Nailbomb sounds in my setup. The Cold Sweat bridge will of course work with the Cold Sweat neck and together in this guitar they should cover the rock area that the Nailbomb is just too brash for and that metal territory not currently covered by the down-tuned Warpig-equipped Explorer.

What pushed me against the Miracle Man for the SG was that I already had Warpigs in my other guitar, and then it would be covering a lot of the territory that I'm already covering.  There's also the whole thing of it covering the ground of an EMG, and I can pick up an LTD Viper 400 here for $700 (half price) with an 81/85 set if I really want it, but with what I've done to the Explorer it seems a bit redundant.

When I asked about Miracle Man for the Explorer a few people said that the Warpig would be a better option - including Ben @ BKP - so I went with that. If I had an SG as the second guitar though it might have been a more difficult choice, as both pickups have an excellent reputation in SGs.  I might have gone with the MM set then as they are cheaper and look more 'stock' (which I like in SGs, not so worried about in the Explorer) without the double set of screws/bolts.  Listening to that guitar now I think the A-Pig was an excellent choice.

Actually Guitar IV my ideas on the Miracle Man would be to get one for a superstrat of some kind later, as that is the one thing I am missing, a guitar with a 'whammy' such as the Floyd Rose.  For that I would need a F-spaced pickup and I might even go for the HSS set-up with Sinners like you have.  To me that's more appealing than getting another SG or a Les Paul.  I'm thinking I may put the A-Bomb into one of those cheapy Epiphone Les Paul Juniors (I'm not worried about the flat top) if the wood resonates right, otherwise into some kind of SG, maybe an Epiphone or Tokai.  BTW, have you tried an A-Pig?  That might be your next favourite BKP!

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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2013, 10:20:06 AM »
I see your problem there mate, but I have to object in terms of the Miracle Man being like an EMG 81. In fact it sounds nothing like it, it has this unique "bipolar" voicing I never found in another pickup before and from the BKPs I own the Painkiller (I own an 81 as well) sounds the most like it, even Tim said the PK is the model that resembles the 81 the most (from what I remember reading). But the again the Cold Sweat might be more versatile as you point out.

Some people say the Blackhawk does the "passive with the active sound" job as well, but I never played one.

As far as the A-Pig goes: yes I played one in a mates axe and really enjoyed it, rich fat sound with lots of "juice" and in some terms it reminded me of the Holydiver. I like "juice" in my pickups  :lol:

p.s.: A Superstrat with a Floyd and a HSS setup is really something wonderfull. Very versatile with that distinct 80's look ^^
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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2013, 05:45:24 PM »
Yeah, I didn't mean to start on that MM vs EMG debate again, I just meant that in terms of its applications it tends to cover very much the same ground. I'm actually old enough to remember when active pickups were a novelty and started coming into the metal scene, roughly around 1988.  The first album that featured it to my memory was And Justice For All ... , but I think Effigy is right in saying that Sodom's Agent Orange album sounds like it was recorded with EMGs in late '88 or early '89. They caught on very quickly, and became the sound for a while.  Other bands like Slayer took them up when they went to ESP guitars like Metallica and various guitar companies started using them. I don't remember a strong culture of people retrofitting different pickups into guitars, at least in the thrash and death metal scenes, but some might have had custom guitars set up with EMGs.  In any case from '89-'95 EMGs were pretty much it, and the MM seems to me like a pickup that tries to fill the same space but with a passive design and characteristics (i.e., not as dry as the EMGs).  Personally I hate a lot of those albums recorded with EMGs, it got stale after a while, like producing death metal albums at Morrisound in Tampa - everyone was doing it.  I like the idea of a HSS superstrat with Sinners and a Miracle Man in the bridge, or alternatively a superstrat with a HH Miracle Man set, definitely with a Floyd Rose.

The Black Hawk and Painkiller sound interesting. I might suggest a Black Hawk to a friend who has been debating whether to go for a Painkiller or a Warpig for his new guitar.  I've been curious about the alnico Black Hawk.

I certainly do love my Warpigs, and I love the A-Bomb too.  They are great at what they do.  I do need a pickup that can do some other things though, hence the Cold Sweat.  I'm very much an '80s guy in terms of guitar sounds, and I doubt that I would be tempted by a vintage pickup, although I might get a Riff Raff set one day for something.  Other pickups I'd really like to try are the Rebel Yell and Piledriver.  I think the RYs are what I would get if I had a Flying V or Les Paul, and of course a Piledriver in a Tele.  I also heard a clip of a Strat with a SSS Sinner setup and that really made my mouth water.  I don't have much experience with Fenders but if I can find one with a neck I like I might get one some day.  A friend let me play his Telecaster one day but the neck was too fat for my liking.
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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2013, 05:22:44 PM »
You could say whereas the Holydiver is the early 80's, the MM is the later period. The HD has good cleans while I find the MM to be a one trick pony, at least regarding cleans vs. distortion. You get great high gain tones and can do rock when you turn down the volume knob, but the clean sound is rather meh.

The Painkiller sounds very gnarly, harsh and grinding in your face modern metalish, the cleans are imho still better than the ones you get with the Miracle Man but it's a lot more contemporary.

All in all there are a lot great pickups by BKP and too little time and money to try them all :P

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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2013, 05:38:35 PM »
Yeah, I pretty much have the feeling that the Holy Diver, Cold Sweat, and Rebel Yell sets have the early '80s metal styles covered.  I have a Cold Sweat neck already and the set has a solid reputation in SGs so that's a big part of my decision.  I also wanted something that could do those '70s and early '80s Judas Priest sounds well, and I think it will do a good job of that.  I think the Rebel Yell might also have been an excellent choice, although I would tend to want the matching neck pickup.  I think one day I might put a set in a Flying V if I can. To be honest Dio etc is something I really like listening to but I've never found the motivation to try playing stuff like that, so that might be my least likely choice out of the three.  It might be good for playing stuff like Candlemass though if fitted to a Les Paul, which I can imagine playing.  But there's too many pickups for my budget to stretch to a guitar for each.

The most tempting ones for me besides what I already have are Miracle Man, Sinner, Rebel Yell, Piledriver, Pig 90, and Supermassive.  A lot of single coils on that list!
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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2013, 06:20:26 PM »
The BKPs I wanna get additionally to the ones I already have are the Emerald Neck and the Slowhand Bridge.

That leaves me with the following sets:

Painkiller/Coldsweat in my Jackson Fusion Pro: modern metal territory that I find great for contemporary sounds, technical metal and raw grinding death metal

Holydiver/Emerald in my Jackson Dinky: Great for 80's stuff or modern metal that has that edge to it, does blues as well and you get an amazing lead sound and early thrash metal tones

Miracle Man/Sinners in my Custom Strat: great for Thrash and Death Metal, pretty versatile and suited for fat (Sinner Neck) or screaming leads (Miracle Man) with the ability to chugg and produce contemporary clean sounds

Slowhand Set in my Custom Strat: as said I'm still missing the bridge SH, I already own the Neck and Middle PU, will wire those onto a separate scratchplate so I can switch sets in my Strat. I'm expecting all the Hendrix and Clapton like blues sounds from this :)

That should complete my tonal palette, although there are a lot more BKPs I'd like to try and get, I'm running out of guitars and owning more stuff would be overkill imho  :lol:

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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2013, 04:31:53 AM »
I've considered getting a Squier Classic Vibe Telecaster and shoving a Piledriver set into it.  The guitars are cheap but sound good.  If any of the pots, switch, or other wiring annoy me that's easily fixed for around $70 for a complete quality harness.  Could get out of it with BKPs as low as $800 if I got a good deal on the Squier.  That would cover various things, I've heard the Piledriver on videos playing blues and it sounded pretty good, and through my amp it would be good for black metal and 'blackened' tones in general, such as that Finnish and Swedish hardcore stuff.  Plus it would just be the fun of having a Tele and looking like I was going to play some country music and then ripping into something completely brutal  :lol:
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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2013, 01:04:28 PM »
Hahaha, having a "blues" guitar and playing metal on it is always a nice thing, especially considering the baffled looks you get from the audience sometimes. It's the same with my Strat, I pretty much played everything on it depending on the band and style of music we did, ranging from cheesy ballads at an open air festival to generic metalcore in small pubs and Thrash and Death Metal in front of astounded friends. Good to have the Miracle Man in there now  8)

Good example for this is the Safety Fire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROR4KWUA9rg

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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2013, 01:10:43 PM »
This is a video I made of a local black metal band that is basically a Strat, vocalist and drummer.  The signal is split between two guitar amps and a bass amp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmHTNAYsqaY

apologies for the quality ... but it shows what you can get out of a stock SSS Strat
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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2013, 02:44:45 PM »
Just got an email to say that my new Cold Sweat has been posted.

Pretty impressive turnaround when you consider that the order was processed Friday morning and sent out Tuesday morning, with the Bare Knuckle Pickups etch on the chrome cover meaning that it probably wasn't one from the existing inventory.
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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2013, 05:19:12 AM »
Went out to the letterbox
Found me a BKP Cold Sweat ...



It's regular chrome, not burnt - that's just some reflection in the chrome - with the BKP etch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyCfUmV72Ks
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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2013, 01:23:52 PM »
Looks nice, how is your impression of the sound? :)

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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2013, 04:52:12 PM »
Haven't had a chance to install it yet. Will try out the A-Pig in the SG first anyway, just to see what that sounds like.  I have to pull both guitars apart (the Explorer needs some modifications to the pickup cavity and eventually the triple shots installed) so I've waited a bit.  I needed one of my electric guitars tonight and I only have two.  I'll have a look at the Explorer tomorrow and start pulling the Warpigs out of it and do a bit more sanding away of the wood in the cavity to make sure they don't touch the sides.  Then I will put the pickups in my SG just to get an idea of how they sound and maybe have an attempt at painting the pickup cavity of the SG on Sunday before installing the Cold Sweat set.
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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2013, 01:16:11 PM »
OK, I installed the Cold Sweat tonight.  I don't have a full understanding of its capabilities, but I've picked up on a couple of things.

First, the cleans are as good or better than the A-bomb bridge, which might be a surprise given that it's ceramic and the A-bomb is noted for its cleans.  I just think they are a different sort of clean, and neither has a bad clean like the high-output Warpig pickups, which I think are very limited clean.  The best thing is that the clean of the neck and bridge now sit nicely together, and I enjoyed playing the middle setting clean.

Second, it's really hard to tell what they are like as I have also turned the neck pickup around and had to remove the bridge given that it sits in the pickguard (to which the pickups are attached).  This means that all of the pickup heights and bridge height are out at the moment and everything needs to be adjusted, starting with the bridge.  I also top-wrapped the strings and the tailpiece is now sitting nicely on the top.

Third, I'm mainly noticing what's missing at the moment until I get the pickup adjusted.  What's missing is that punky 'rarrr' that was ever-present with the A-bomb.  As I said earlier I actually like that in its place and I will be looking to install the A-bomb in another guitar (possibly another SG) to have that available to me when I want it.  I played a few riffs from 'The Usurper' (Celtic Frost) but I couldn't really notice a huge difference yet.  That said everything needs to be adjusted.

Fourth, the etch looks great and the neck pickup does not look too stupid in back-to-front (please excuse the fingerprints on the guitar, I didn't notice them indoors):





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Re: Replace A-Bomb with Miracle Man? Or Cold Sweat? (Gibson SG)
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2013, 01:44:24 AM »
Well, the Celtic Frost thing is pretty much roll the tone knob back on a humbucker. Or maybe an extremely low treble knob setting on the amp. I never entirely figured it out, always got to a "close enough" point and dicked around for a few minutes.