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tekbow

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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2013, 04:43:05 PM »
"Bad Boys"? never heard of them

to be fair, not an expert on endorsement deals, but i don't think people get paid or receive free gear much unless they're mega huge, i think artist discounts are more the norm
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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #61 on: November 12, 2013, 04:53:53 PM »
Funny how in a thread about the transparency of magazine reviews someone spontaneously pops up to post a biased opinion. If I had a suspicious nature I could almost concoct a paranoid fantasy whereby someone actually googled the amp name, found a slightly scathing mention of them and leapt to their defence. Either because they're paid to endorse them or because they're personal friends with the manufacturer.

Good job I'm not that suspicious.
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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #62 on: November 12, 2013, 05:09:02 PM »
Well yes, people don't get paid to endorse gear unless they're mega huge. People also don't get listed as endorsers simply because they bought the amps. And yet two members of one unknown band get listed as endorsing the amps AND one of them feels the need to leap to the defence of the gear, simply by randomly stumbling across a mention of the amp on a forum.

You'll have to excuse me if I view this as more than simple coincidence.

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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #63 on: November 12, 2013, 05:59:32 PM »
I saw Falling Red Last year supporting Steel Panther (I think...unless it was supporting Judas Priest)
Haven't really heard much of them before that, but they put on a fairly spirited performance.

But the amps may well be excellent and they may have gone out of their way to find some up and coming bands to show their product to.
When starting out it is indeed very hard to get any profile until a few artists are genuinely inspired to try out and take up using your stuff.
It may well be that an "artist deal" has been done that sweetened the price to whatever extent, much like BKP do with certain bands.

It is actually nice that an artist endorsing the product has put his hat (even a Von Hat-ski) in the ring to tell us that the product is worth trying out.
It is actually something you'd expect of an endorsee.
It's no different than if we were discussing the shortcomings of a Rebel Yell pickup and Steve Stevens came and explained how he uses the pickup and what it was designed to do.

My own product is considered expensive and out of the reach of many players budgets, but thankfully many of you may have seen it and know what it's like.
If Guitarist reviewed my guitars and said it was money well spent based on the playing experience and overall impression I wonder if I would face a similar type of discussion.

I do get to see a lot of low to mid thru high end guitars here in my repair shop and  know that many budget instruments can be great guitars and punch way above their price tag.
However it doesn't mean that the PRS, Suhr, and high end Fender/Gibsons are taking the piss with what they cost.
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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #64 on: November 12, 2013, 06:06:29 PM »
Fair enough then. Although personally I would have said "I found this thread while searching for Vonhatski amps, I'm an endorser and I think they're pretty good".

Because that's just a bit more honest.

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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #65 on: November 12, 2013, 07:14:11 PM »
^+1

Zog, your tag is really familiar, are you on TDPRI? or D*A*M?

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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #66 on: November 12, 2013, 07:27:36 PM »
Fair enough then. Although personally I would have said "I found this thread while searching for Vonhatski amps, I'm an endorser and I think they're pretty good".

Because that's just a bit more honest.

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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #67 on: November 12, 2013, 07:34:11 PM »

If Guitarist reviewed my guitars and said it was money well spent based on the playing experience and overall impression I wonder if I would face a similar type of discussion.


Nobody is bashing the amps. Just the idea put forward by the magazine that they are affordable to whoever they said in the article. I can't be bothered reading it again, I found it full of annoying rhetoric.


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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #68 on: November 12, 2013, 08:09:46 PM »
I wonder how much they were paid for that particular review?

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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #69 on: November 12, 2013, 09:14:55 PM »
It's no different than if we were discussing the shortcomings of a Rebel Yell pickup and Steve Stevens came and explained how he uses the pickup and what it was designed to do.

Just reading the thread again, I'd say there's a very big difference. I know that Steve Stevens is a BKP endorsee, I had to use Google to find out that Jayde_Starr is affiliated with the amp manufacturer he is bigging up. Had he chosen a different user name then I would never have known that and I would have taken his comments to be an unbiased appraisal of the amps.

I don't mind endorsees praising gear as long as I know that there's a degree of mutual back-scratching going on. I say a lot of nice things about various small manufacturers on other forums and I'm always careful to mention that I have no affiliation. To my mind, the "coincidence" of an affiliated endorsee just happening to find this thread and posting a series of positive statements really does the manufacturer no favours at all, it's like publicity companies writing wikipedia pages for people.

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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #70 on: November 12, 2013, 10:13:48 PM »
Re the original topic of this thread and the discussions about endorsements etc , I notice that the November issue of Guitarist features Guthrie Govan and a review of the new line of Victory amps he is using currently and a plug for his forthcoming Charvel signature guitar , discuss.  :P
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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #71 on: November 12, 2013, 10:30:54 PM »
Add to that Guthrie Govan used to work for the Guitarist family of magazines - and that no-one except widdle stick shred aficionados (who read Guitarist) has ever heard of him.
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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #72 on: November 12, 2013, 10:31:34 PM »
although to be fair, he is immensely talented and a very nice guy  :P
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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #73 on: November 12, 2013, 10:35:18 PM »
Add to that Guthrie Govan used to work for the Guitarist family of magazines - and that no-one except widdle stick shred aficionados (who read Guitarist) has ever heard of him.
Well not quite true. Fans of Steven Wilsons solo albums, which are a modern and typically dark attempt at the root idea of prog rock (classic and jazz musicians making pop music, which at that time was rock) the later of which has an especially strong 60s vibe, can also know him. That is where I first heard of him and was very impressed by his playing. That man can put feel into things and work within a band. Brilliant. He played on "The Raven that refused to sing (and other stories)" and tours with Wilson.
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Re: Really concerned Guitarist is losing touch with reality
« Reply #74 on: November 12, 2013, 11:35:08 PM »
Add to that Guthrie Govan used to work for the Guitarist family of magazines - and that no-one except widdle stick shred aficionados (who read Guitarist) has ever heard of him.
Well not quite true. Fans of Steven Wilsons solo albums, which are a modern and typically dark attempt at the root idea of prog rock (classic and jazz musicians making pop music, which at that time was rock) the later of which has an especially strong 60s vibe, can also know him. That is where I first heard of him and was very impressed by his playing. That man can put feel into things and work within a band. Brilliant. He played on "The Raven that refused to sing (and other stories)" and tours with Wilson.

Fans of Dizzee Rascal may also have heard of him, although they may not - for the most part - be particularly big guitar fans.
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