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Re: Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2013, 06:58:48 PM »
Buy yourself a new profile pic. It's soo irritating haha. That's all for free :P

Have you thought about looking at the Marshall JVMJS? The Satriani signature. Looks killer :)


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Re: Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2013, 11:31:54 PM »
BTW since the JCM800 2203 marshal haven't done anything usefull IMO... maybe that's why 80% of their actual production are reissues or other "signature" amps based in reissues... gosh...

It just struck me that although I see plenty of them in shops I haven't seen a Marshall at a local gig for a long time, except for the odd JCM800 with touring bands.  It might be that I spend too much time at metal and hardcore gigs, but what I tend to see here in Adelaide are Mesa Rectos (not cheap), Peaveys (again, not cheap, second-hand even not under $1000), Laneys, local hand-made amps called Woogie, and the occasional Randall or Krank.  In fact the only gigging Marshall that comes to mind is a young punk guy who has one of the solid-state cheapies teamed up with the cheapest Epi SG (the bolt neck type with the batwing pickguard), and I suspect that was just because he got it cheap, and another friend offered me some cheap Marshall with an Ashton 4x12 cab for $500.  The high-end Marshalls are simply not popular in the metal and punk scenes at all.  On the other hand I see Marshall 4x12 cabs everywhere, especially the 1960AV.

Admittedly I haven't seen any EVH amps at gigs either.  But it seems that Marshall has lost its 'metal' reputation around here.  Or it might just be that in a price comparison they lose out.  On the other hand I'm always surprised at the Meso Rectos I see around, because the prices for them are very high in this country.  If I see one of those I immediately think that they either have a good paying job, sell drugs, or, even worse, do cover band gigs :D (a lot of cover bands get $1500 a night here)
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Re: Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2013, 02:04:52 PM »

Admittedly I haven't seen any EVH amps at gigs either.  But it seems that Marshall has lost its 'metal' reputation around here.  Or it might just be that in a price comparison they lose out. 

And funny you mentioned punk earlier, but most of the old punk rock bands used marshall amps... Toy Dolls, your nickname Agent Orange's Mike Palm (now he uses Crate amps if I'm not wrong), Sex Pistols, Ramones, and the list is vast...

For early metal, I think only Iron Maiden and Motorhead still uses Marshall amps (and the bad ones like the DSL and JMP-1 preamp) For new metal stuff, there's a lot of amps out there doing better tones, and many times, cheaper and MORE RELIABLE than the newer marshalls... I can't see why Marshall couldn't make a decent evolution from the plexi / 800 desing... Man, a lot of amp modders (Mike Fortin, Mike Soldano, Bogner, Egnater, Friedman and many others) did this very well and have built their name over modded marshalls.... But the creators couldn't make their baby to evolve... Sad, but...

I recon in the UK the american amps are expensive, but have you tried to import them from ebay or something? I dunno UK import policies, I'm just saying..... I did this with my gear in Brazil and I payed, after taxes, less than 1200USD for my 76' JMP head... If I ever get to find one in Brasil, it's going to cost at least 3500USD.

The new Randall by Mike fOrtin RD50H costs 599USD, a cheap amp in the US. Used peaveys aren't expensive also at the bay....



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Re: Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2013, 02:08:24 PM »
Now I realized you're from down under Agent Orange  :lol: :lol: :lol: sorry..

Mate, in this case, I think you're as $%&#ed as me with amp prices.... But maybe the import thing is still an option for ya.
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Re: Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2013, 02:19:22 PM »
I was just talking about scene people in my home state, I know that in the '70s and '80s Marshalls were ubiquitous, especially in metal. In the early '90s that seemed to change.  First Mesas, then Peaveys, then Randalls seemed to pop up around the place, and Marshall started to get a bad name because of some of the cheaper stuff they were producing.  This might also be due to aggressive endorsement deals on the part of Marshall's competitors, and the fact that producers were looking for new sounds.

The point I was making is that while I seem to see a lot of Marshall 4x12 cabs around I don't see so many amps, except in the rock scene where some people have them, although quite a few of them seem to have gone for the Meso Rectos, which were a prestige/bling item for a time. Mesas are VERY expensive here, more expensive than Marshalls, so when someone wants to show off their money they buy a Triple Recto and an ESP (for some reason they are always $2k+, $4k+ for Hanneman ones). There might be some metal guy here playing a Kerry King Marshall now, but I don't go to as many metal gigs as I used to.

BTW, my screen name is based on the Sodom album, not the punk band, hence the picture of Frank 'Blackfire' Gosdzik as my current avatar and the album cover art when I first joined. 8)

On amp prices, we had a very strong dollar over the last year which fortuitously combined with the former Peavey distributor losing their deal, leading them to sell off all their stock at below cost prices.  I got my Peavey 6534+ for $1300 ... the new distributor is not giving good prices to dealers at all, and a lot of people are refusing to stock them, giving Allans Music (the retail arm of the new distributor AMI) a monopoly once all old stock is gone from other shops.  Full retail price is $2600 and Allans have them on sale for $2200 ... I think I did okay!  I'm a very canny ebay buyer ;)
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Re: Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2013, 09:05:08 PM »
So after watching lots of demos I'm still not any wiser, I will have to hit up a music store and test the JVM. One thing I noticed however is that the EVH increased in price  :x

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Re: Jet City JCA50H vs. Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2013, 11:37:35 PM »
Well, I've done quite a bit of research and listened to clips and read reviews on the Internet and now I have another problem: I'm very tempted to get myself a Jet City JCA50 Head. So I need your advice.

The Pros I found:

 - Obviously the price; as a student my budget is limited and spending a lesser amount of money for a decent piece of gear is always a good thing

 - Designed by Soldano; from my understanding those heads are modelled after the Hotrod and people seem to be quite happy with the sound

 - No uber modern metal shiteeloads of gain; right now I'm playing a Micro Terror boosted with a Digitech Bad Monkey and that's perfectly fine, I prefer the sound of a boosted lower gain amp as long as it does what I need it to do

 - Simple design; I like my things to be easy adjustable, when I turn a few knobs getting an instantly good sound is what I prefer opposed to the five billion knobs and options an amp like say the Mesa Boogie Mark V has. I also like to control the sound with my hands, it's all about using the controls on the guitar and picking technique for me

Cons:

 - reading through the BKP Forum I've found some threads Nadzilla opened; Toe-Knee referred to certain reliability issues those amps have

 - Really enough gain? Like mentioned before I don't need the heaps of distortion a 6505 produces, but it should be at least enough to do some more old school stuff and Death and Thrash Metal when boosted with a TS type pedal

 - will this be just another cheap piece of gear before I decide I need something better/more expensive? I certainly won't let this turn into a G.A.S. related purchase, the low price combined with the good reviews just suggests that there might be a catch


So these are my thoughts. Hope you guys can help me out to make this decision easier for me. End of the month my paycheck will arrive, so I'm having that warm, fuzzy feeling inside of me once again, just like waiting for Santa to arrive with presents  :lol:

Cheers!

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Re: Jet City JCA50H vs. Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2013, 12:27:43 PM »
Don't forget Ceriatone, very nice handmade amps. Even nicer for those who live down under.

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Re: Jet City JCA50H vs. Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2013, 01:03:34 PM »
I get by playing metal on a Peavey Vypyr 60 and Blackstar HT-5HR.  The HT-5 gets me some nice tone and it's simple compared to the Vypyr and getting lost in all it's tones.  But it's got dual rec, JSX and 6505.  They are not the same as the real deal but good in their own way.

I'm now going around in circles of do I go for a 5150 III 50 watt as I do like them or go JVM 205.  I do like tube distortion and I'm not too worried about running power tube too hard as I play at home and my Vypyr showed me how loud they can be.  Or do I stick with what I have as it works well.  Can't help but think maybe the grass is greener on the other side.

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Re: Jet City JCA50H vs. Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2013, 01:07:10 PM »
- Really enough gain? Like mentioned before I don't need the heaps of distortion a 6505 produces, but it should be at least enough to do some more old school stuff and Death and Thrash Metal when boosted with a TS type pedal
As you wrote, that problem is easy to solve with a nice boost pedal. Suhr Kokoboost comes to mind ;)

The Jet City looks like a tempting alternative, I've been gassing fol the JCA22H for some time! Sounds like a killer amp.
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Re: Jet City JCA50H vs. Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2013, 06:25:21 PM »
Hey dude,

Like Toe-Knee pointed out, there may be some reliability issues. I've had my JCA20H for a little while now and done a fair few full-volume practices with it at the practice room. The last time my band jammed, I started getting this little rattle at the end of certain notes, I'm not sure what that is just yet as I've not had the time to get it checked out or record the sound for our brainiacs here on the forum to analyse.  :lol: But I'm hopeful it's something small and easily fixed.

Having said that, the quality of the sound you get for the price is simply phenomenal! I boost mine with a Bad Monkey and it sounds perfect. There's enough gain left over in the pedal and the gain channel of the amp that you could easily get a fully distorted Thrash sound if you ever wanted to, but for what I need it's perfectly gainy enough turned down pretty low.

Here's a quick clip of my rig:
https://soundcloud.com/nadzilla/amp-test-1-sm7b-bass-cut

Plus, the UK now have a dedicated Jet City Amplification sales site! The guys are UBER helpful there, and very quick to reply to any questions.
http://www.jetcityamplificationstore.co.uk/

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Re: Jet City JCA50H vs. Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2013, 06:34:14 PM »
The 50h also has more gain than the 20h too. Although i seem to remember Nadzillas being modded.

Usually the 20h is the crunch channel that is on the 50/100w models then theres an additional lead channel.

the 22h also has the lead channel
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Re: Jet City JCA50H vs. Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2013, 07:12:24 PM »
Aye mine was modded to basically be a 22H, with a foot-switchable crunch channel. I would personally go for the current JCA22H (or the 50H if you want more LOUDs).

I've got my eye on their 100HDM for my next big purchase.

That Jet City site is actually having a sale right now, and it was a couple of months ago when it was pointed out to me. I'm not sure when that's going to end, but CRAZY prices right now!

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Re: Jet City JCA50H vs. Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2013, 07:22:57 PM »
Aye mine was modded to basically be a 22H, with a foot-switchable crunch channel. I would personally go for the current JCA22H (or the 50H if you want more LOUDs).

I've got my eye on their 100HDM for my next big purchase.

That Jet City site is actually having a sale right now, and it was a couple of months ago when it was pointed out to me. I'm not sure when that's going to end, but CRAZY prices right now!


I think the 50/100w ones are actually cheaper at thomann currently. But the 22h is cheaper at the jet city store
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Re: Jet City JCA50H vs. Marshall JVM 205 vs. EVH 5150 III 50 Watt
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2013, 12:24:10 AM »
Cheers guys (especially Toe-Knee and Nad) for the responses, I appreciate every input :)

The JCA50H is currently for sale at Thomann for under 300€ quid, so that would be a steal and that's exactly the reason I'm so tempted to get one. Only thing I need to clear up is: does this amp get the metal rhythm job done? I watched a Youtube video of a guy today where he was praising the Lead Sound of the head yet recommending a 5150 for rhythms, quote:

"careful. the JCA voicing is very very different from that of a recto or peavey. It's got a thick, compressed low end and lower midrange and the top end is smooth.

It doesn't bite in the upper mids and treble the way a marshall will and it doesn't have the upper end presence/sizzle (fizz for some) and tightness that the peavey's have.

These are great hard/modern rock amps though but lack the lower end clarity for metal that the peaveys have. They're way better for lead though vs the peaveys"

"if you're wanting to do straight metal, just buy a 5150. This amp has to try really hard to do metal and requires a boost."

"well, what I'm meaning is that the JCA has a very thick/compressed lower end and lower midrange. That tight clean chugging for rhythm work isn't really what it does too well. There are mods you can do to help it out but at the end of the day, it's voiced like a soldano and they've always been much better lead amps than metal rhythm amps. Try one with a boost before you commit financially if you can."

So how much truth is there behind this statements? I'm really trying to assure I'm not gonna make a wrong purchase just because G.A.S. has gotten the better part of me once again :P

Cheers!