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Alex

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Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« on: October 06, 2013, 02:17:23 PM »
I was cleaning my external harddrive and stumbled upon the picture below that appears to be a guitar amplifier.

Does anybody recognize it? I don't even know what tubes those could be! The file is labelled "poductin 11 amp", but a Google search revealed nothing.

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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2013, 02:26:40 PM »
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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2013, 02:33:06 PM »
i dont know but i'm pretty sure it has a flux capacitor inside
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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2013, 03:37:28 PM »
Hmmm, sounds a bit disappointingly like most generic metal sounds these days...
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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2013, 05:22:40 PM »
Hmmm, sounds a bit disappointingly like most generic metal sounds these days...

I think they also took loads of pre orders and then have been making excuses since as to why the amps haven't been made other than the ones for people who do youtube videos and signed artists.

I could be wrong on that though.

To me they sound very solidstate and harsh. Kinda like the old Randalls.
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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2013, 06:54:53 PM »
Hmmm, sounds a bit disappointingly like most generic metal sounds these days...

I agree, but I guess it's good at what it's supposed to do.
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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2013, 07:06:27 PM »
id be interested to hear and play one. i think famously these amps dont have output transformers and those massive sideways mounted valves are what allows that. they are something wacky and not any of the usual types. youtube isnt as good as personal experience. i wonder what other tones these things do and how they feel to play, being what they are.

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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2013, 07:21:58 PM »
I don't even know what tubes those could be!

Those are the mighty 6C33C tubes! They are Russian tubes, developed for use in the radar systems of MIG fighter planes and popular with tube hifi people because of their suitability for OTL amps. Although all the pics I can find seem to have output transformers.


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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2013, 08:52:01 PM »
id be interested to hear and play one. i think famously these amps dont have output transformers and those massive sideways mounted valves are what allows that. they are something wacky and not any of the usual types. youtube isnt as good as personal experience. i wonder what other tones these things do and how they feel to play, being what they are.
Now that makes it seem like it is quite interresting.

Since there are multiple knowledgable amp people around, could you perhaps at this point give some insight on what the output transformer does and how the tubes in this case might replace it.

I mean I think I got the basic idea of how an amp works and what the OT does, but this case does present some questions to me.
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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2013, 10:23:48 PM »
The amplifier sure looks awesome, I just hope it's not being primarily a Meshuggah style chugga chugga amp, because ultimately that's been covered since 5150s and Rectifiers have been around (with dozens of variations).

It's funny how many amp manufacturers now opt for great optical designs as well, with lighting and everything. Hughes & Kettner I think have the best looking ones.
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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2013, 10:51:19 PM »
... some insight on what the output transformer does and how the tubes in this case might replace it.

ok, I'll try for a brief explanation, amp experts please don't berate me if I oversimplify this ...

In a standard amplifier with an output transformer, the valves need to work into a high impedance (AC resistance) load. Where your speaker load is between 4 and 16 ohms, the output tubes need a load of something like 6 kiloohms. Although most people are familiar with transformers as voltage converters they also transform - or more technically "reflect" - impedance. This means that an impedance connected across the output terminals appears to be a different impedance on the input terminals.

Long story short, it's to do with the transformer's turns ratio, the number of turns of wire on the primary winding (where the output tubes are connected) to the number of turns of wire on the secondary (where the speaker is connected).

Suppose the ratio is 20:1. The impedance ratio of a transformer is the square of the turns ratio so in this case 400:1. That means that a 16 ohm load on the secondary appears as a 6400 ohm load on the primary.

Additionally, the output transformer isolates the speaker from the high voltage DC present in the amp.

OTL amps - Output TransformerLess - rely on a different power amp design, usually taking the output from the cathodes rather than the anodes of the output tubes. This type of design does not require as high an impedance load as normal amps but does not generate as much output power.

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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2013, 11:13:54 PM »
Ah cheers for that.

I don't really know anything about OTL amps.

It's the only guitar amp I know like that. Would be good to hear what else it can do. I'm not a big fan of that Meshuggah type high gain tone. I'd like to see some jazz geezer jangling out on some cleans.

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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2013, 12:28:00 AM »
OTL is fine for HiFi, not guitar. I played one of these amps at the NY Amp Show a couple of years ago. It's rubbish.

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Re: Does anyboyd recognize this amplifier?
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2013, 12:52:37 AM »
Hmmm, sounds a bit disappointingly like most generic metal sounds these days...
To me they sound very solidstate and harsh. Kinda like the old Randalls.

I think I'd rather have the old Randall ... also the music in the video is cheesy and generic
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