Governor vs V128 vs Wizard vs RW&B

[EffigyForgotten]

Quite frankly, comparing Eminence to Celestion is b*llsh*t.

Why is that? Aren't most eminence speakers upgraded/copies of celestion speakers?

[Dave Sloven]

Whatever Eminence speakers are in the Krank Revolution cabinet one of my friends has sound pretty good.  I think they are called Legends.  A lot like V30s but with more bottom and less of that mid spike.

Mind you the Revolution cab is pretty big, maybe a similar volume to the Mesa oversized

[EffigyForgotten]

I have the V12 legends in my 2x12 and I like them, but they could be more aggressive, and maybe have a little more upper mids.

What is the major difference between the Governor and RW&B? They have the exact same description and the only seem to be different in the wattage, what does this do to the sound?

[Dave Sloven]

I just had a strange idea, which might be retarded.

Would it work to cut out a smallish square from the back of the cab to make something like an upside-down catflap, and add a hinge at the bottom and a lip at the top of the square hole where two screws could be used (together with a foam seal) to quickly change it back to a closed back cab if needed?

Alternatively it could just have a lip all round and four screws and just be lifted in and out as needed

Could possibly be the silliest idea ever but i might work better than a true open cab and take off just enough pressure for the sound to be more diffuse coming from the front.

[AndyR]

I was having an even stranger idea earlier - why the back? What would happen if you opened up the sides somewhat?

Does anyone know?

Edit: Obviously with suitable bracing/wotever so that it doesn't fold up when you stick something heavy like, er, an amp on top of it! :lol:

[dave_mc]

I haven't tried the wizard or governor- from what I hear, they're eminence's take on a g12h30 and v30 respectively (which I have tried).

R W+B is American-sounding, and (fairly) vintage-sounding. Unless you're sure that's what you want, I doubt it is, kind of thing.

v12 is kind of like a more mellow v30, with more lower mids/chunk.

It's interesting that you think that about the V12. I find it more aggressive but less fizzy with less low end. You are right about the low mids though I also found it a heck of a lot tighter. Most likely due to the fact it isn't as boomy.

I'd have said the v30 was tighter :lol: Admittedly I'm not playing at super high volumes... :oops:

What is the major difference between the Governor and RW&B? They have the exact same description and the only seem to be different in the wattage, what does this do to the sound?

Assuming the governor sounds somewhat like a v30, but with eminence's own twist on it (as i said, I haven't tried the governor), they're gonna sound totally different. The whole "american" versus "british" tonality is a massive difference. I know my r w+b sounds nothing like a v30, for example. Almost as different as it's possible to get with guitar speakers.

[Toe-Knee]

I haven't tried the wizard or governor- from what I hear, they're eminence's take on a g12h30 and v30 respectively (which I have tried).

R W+B is American-sounding, and (fairly) vintage-sounding. Unless you're sure that's what you want, I doubt it is, kind of thing.

v12 is kind of like a more mellow v30, with more lower mids/chunk.

It's interesting that you think that about the V12. I find it more aggressive but less fizzy with less low end. You are right about the low mids though I also found it a heck of a lot tighter. Most likely due to the fact it isn't as boomy.

I'd have said the v30 was tighter :lol: Admittedly I'm not playing at super high volumes... :oops:

That could be it. I found the v30s were ok at home but in band situations the low end got too out of control not as much as the high mids & high end did though!

It could all be down to the amps we're using too. I remember having a manowar few years back which was really tight with a marshall but with everything else it was a mushy mess.

[Alex]

I haven't tried the wizard or governor- from what I hear, they're eminence's take on a g12h30 and v30 respectively (which I have tried).

R W+B is American-sounding, and (fairly) vintage-sounding. Unless you're sure that's what you want, I doubt it is, kind of thing.

v12 is kind of like a more mellow v30, with more lower mids/chunk.

It's interesting that you think that about the V12. I find it more aggressive but less fizzy with less low end. You are right about the low mids though I also found it a heck of a lot tighter. Most likely due to the fact it isn't as boomy.

I'd have said the v30 was tighter :lol: Admittedly I'm not playing at super high volumes... :oops:

What is the major difference between the Governor and RW&B? They have the exact same description and the only seem to be different in the wattage, what does this do to the sound?

Assuming the governor sounds somewhat like a v30, but with eminence's own twist on it (as i said, I haven't tried the governor), they're gonna sound totally different. The whole "american" versus "british" tonality is a massive difference. I know my r w+b sounds nothing like a v30, for example. Almost as different as it's possible to get with guitar speakers.

The governor is pretty much in the same ballpark as the 16 ohm version of the V30. I had both for a while. If you played a cab without knowing which one is in it, I doubt you'd be able to actually find out by just listening. Fiddling with the amp EQ has a bigger impact.

[EffigyForgotten]

So is the Governor tighter than the V30? Or the V12? I like the "british" sound I guess, considering I generally prefer EL34 type tubes to 6L6.

[Elliot]

The RW&B is based around the 60s Jensen C12N with added mid-range to cut the highs.  Its great in modern Fender amps (I stripped the V30s out of my Supersonic as I hate V30s and put RW+Bs in) but its not really comparable to a Celestion in sound.  If you want a hybrid American/British the one to go for is the Texas Heat.

[EffigyForgotten]

Also is the Wizard more aggressive than the Governor?

[dave_mc]

That could be it. I found the v30s were ok at home but in band situations the low end got too out of control not as much as the high mids & high end did though!

It could all be down to the amps we're using too. I remember having a manowar few years back which was really tight with a marshall but with everything else it was a mushy mess.

Yeah possibly :lol: I seem to remember v30s tightening up when I cranked them, but I haven't cranked my v12s, they may tighten up even more.

The RW&B is based around the 60s Jensen C12N with added mid-range to cut the highs.  Its great in modern Fender amps (I stripped the V30s out of my Supersonic as I hate V30s and put RW+Bs in) but its not really comparable to a Celestion in sound.  If you want a hybrid American/British the one to go for is the Texas Heat.

Agreed (I didn't know what the rw+b was based on, but it does sound american to my ears). And yeah the TH is a nice all-rounder- I'd still say it sounds american, though, just with a wee bit of british thrown in. If you want to come at it the other way round (i.e. a british-sounding speaker which has a little bit of american in there), the celestions with fewer mids (or other companies' speakers which are based on them) are probably the way to go- G12H30, Classic Lead, even a g12t75 at a pinch.

[Alex]

So is the Governor tighter than the V30? Or the V12? I like the "british" sound I guess, considering I generally prefer EL34 type tubes to 6L6.

I'd say it's all in EQ range, really.

[EffigyForgotten]

I'm also now interested in celestion speakers, in particular the Classic Lead, G12K-100, and the G12T "Hot 100". I really like the Legends I have in my current cab but I wish they were more "present" and unique sounding. Not just flat, with the whole tight/smooth sound. This originally made me think governors, as they will have more breakup and more mids and highs, but I want to explore all my options.

[dave_mc]

I haven't tried the g12k or the g12t, but I know a lot of people think the Classic Lead can be a bit neutral-, even sterile-, sounding. If you want more "character" than a v12, I'm not sure the Classic Lead is necessarily the way to go. That being said, your idea of character might be completely different from other people's, so it's hard to say for sure. :lol: