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homiefud

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Need a HSH recommendation
« on: October 12, 2013, 02:02:08 AM »
Hey all!

I'm looking to replace the pups in my Ibanez RG550.  Basswood body, maple bolt-on neck with Rosewood fret board.  Right now I've got a DiMarzio Tone Zone in the bridge, a Breed in the neck and the stock IB S1 in the middle.  I'm not overly thrilled with them.  I feel they're just a little too thick and bass-y.

I want something that will do 80s hair, 90s grunge and classic rock well, but still be able to clean up.   And since it's a HSH config, something that splits well with the middle single coil.  So what do you think?  Nailbombs?  Holy Divers?  VHIIs?

And of course a good matching single coil.  What I don't know is whether Ibanez uses a RW/RP pup in the middle.   

Thanks!

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Re: Need a HSH recommendation
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2013, 02:54:14 AM »
Nailbomb-set and Trilogy Suite, unless you want vintagevibe from the singlecoil.
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Re: Need a HSH recommendation
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2013, 03:54:57 AM »
I have an HSS set of Holy Diver and Trilogy Suites in my Jackson Dinky XL, and I really love them, especially the Holy Diver. It does everything well, and the trilogy suites sound great too, although they feel much less hot than the HD, so maybe consider getting the zinc plate, or maybe get a TS bridge for the middle. Are you thinking of using the middle pickup for anything specific? (I'm not very fond of them myself)
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Re: Need a HSH recommendation
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2013, 01:45:21 PM »
I have a Nailbomb set with an Irish Tour in my Ibanez.  I also put the IT on a separate switch so I can have it on when I want it, and use a megaswitch P for the humbuckers to give me a range of split sounds.
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Re: Need a HSH recommendation
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2013, 06:50:27 PM »
Holydiver bridge, Trilogy Suite middle and Emerald neck. You'll struggle to find a better combo than that.
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Re: Need a HSH recommendation
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2013, 11:09:58 PM »
Holydiver bridge, Trilogy Suite middle and Emerald neck. You'll struggle to find a better combo than that.

Thanks for the recommendations!  Please keep them coming.  I expected to have a number of Nailbomb/Trilogy recommendations.  That's what I was kind of leaning towards when I posted.  But I find this one interesting.  Could you elaborate on why you suggest an Emerald in the neck with the HD? 

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Re: Need a HSH recommendation
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2013, 01:10:11 AM »
Part of it is simply personal preference, part is personal experience and part is based on what I've learned from other posts on this board. First off is your guitar. My experience with the Nailbomb was that there were a lot of high mids in it and it was very aggressive sounding and incredibly tight. I felt it needed a darker guitar and while yours would be better suited to it than mine, I still feel that it's a pickup that would sit best in mahogany. I also found it to have a very distinctly 90's Metal feel about it and though it could do other things like Classic Rock, it always retained that 90's Metal feel about it. The Nailbomb's a tricky one though because there are plenty people on here who have very different experiences of the Nailbomb. I was initially tempted to conclude it was just me but equally, there are also plenty people who have had a very similar experience so maybe it's just very picky about the guitar it goes into. It may well work for you but based on my experience (what else can I go on?) I'd consider other options unless of course you're looking for something that's super tight, very aggressive and has lots of high mids. The Holydiver on the other hand may well be described as 'thick' but it certainly isn't bassy and seems to work in almost any guitar. The inherent smoothness of the pickup helps to make it quite versatile in my opinion because it allows it to drop into Classic Rock with ease, nails 80's Metal and kick an overdrive on and it will take you straight into modern Metal. It's not the best option for 90's Grunge but it will make a decent fist of most things and there's no pickup that will do everything. I don't think it's the most versatile pickup in the BKP and I don't even think it's the most versatile pickup in the contemporary range but it is the best overall fit for what you're after in my opinion.

As for the neck pickup, it's again down to a lot of personal experience. I used to favour the Cold Sweat neck and I still think it's fantastic but one day I was talking to Tim about using a Holydiver in the bridge of my PRS and I was thinking of a Cold Sweat or maybe a VHII for the neck. He said he loved the idea of using the Holydiver and while the Cold Sweat and VHII would work well, he strongly suggested I tried the Emerald as the Holydiver/Emerald combo was one of his favourites. Oh mama!! What a sensational pickup it turned out to be. BKP have lots of good pickups to choose from and many of them are very closely connected. The Mule, Abraxas and Crawler necks are all very similar for instance, as are the Holydiver, Rebel Yell and Cold Sweat necks. The Emerald neck, however, is absolutely unique. The AIV magnet gives it a more vintage feel than anything you get in the contemporary range so in that respect it's like the Mule etc. but unlike them, it uses 43AWG wire instead of 42AWG and that makes a huge difference. That brings in a more modern feel as every other pickup using 43AWG in the neck is in the contemporary range so while it has all of the sweetness you get from an AIV magnet, it has the cut you usually expect from an AV pickup in the contemporary section. It's also a hot pickup, being wound hotter than many of the neck pickups in the contemporary range. Cleans are sublime, articulation is superb and and leads are incredible, being able to take masses of gain. With an Emerald neck I can play anything from Blues to modern Metal as absolutely nothing phases it. There are other neck pickups I like but the Emerald is head and shoulders above anything else I've ever tried.

I'm not saying this is your only option by any means. You might like the Rebel Yell as it's a slightly toned down Nailbomb, you might like the Cold Sweats if you want something brighter and tighter. You might also consider the Black Dog as it shares some of the characteristics of the Holydiver but in a more Classic Rock rather than 80's Metal format, but the Holydiver is what I'd look at if I were you as it simply does an awful lot really well. As for the neck, I just can't praise the Emerald highly enough. If Tim suddenly said he wanted to do me a signature set of my own, for the bridge I'd ask him to work on something that was a cross between a Holydiver and Crawler with maybe a hint of Miracle Man and Cold Sweat thrown in for good measure but for the neck, I'd just ask him to put my name on a copy of a stock Emerald. I just can't think of a thing I'd change about it.
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Re: Need a HSH recommendation
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2013, 02:51:37 AM »
Part of it is simply personal preference, part is personal experience and part is based on what I've learned from other posts on this board.

Wow!  Thanks much for sharing your experience.  I probably wouldn't have considered the Emerald otherwise.  The Holy Diver is the other one I was considering other than the Nailbomb. 

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Re: Need a HSH recommendation
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2013, 03:43:28 AM »
A pickup will be more or less versatile or specialized depending on the guitar it's in.

In my SG an alnico Nailbomb is really specialized, by which I mean is has a really dominant characteristic which you can't really get away from and which gives it an insane intensity (some people who are looking for the extreme hardcore hairiness that people like Slart and I report in the A-Bomb might be disappointed when it seems too mellow or generic in their guitar, but that relative neutrality is what people seem to sometimes mean by 'versatility').  On the other hand a lot of the things that people sometimes complain about it a Cold Sweat (too scooped, too bright, etc) aren't an issue in my SG and in fact I'd say that it is probably the most versatile BKP for an SG, being able to cover the gamut of rock and metal, although the A-Bomb has the edge on it for a small subset of metal styles closely related to hardcore).

In general, the best advice is to pay careful attention to what guitar someone has put a pickup in when reading comments/reviews, and the overall vibe of what they preferences might be as to sound.  If it's vague, then ask them a question about it, including what styles of music they think it works well with (e.g., what specific bands or even albums it gets close to the sound of).  I have also found the following book useful in getting my head around how different elements in a guitar interact:

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Guitar-Tone-Mitch-Gallagher/9781435456150

Also, I would say that 'versatility' can be over-rated.  The truth of that though is that unless you have a very narrow range of sounds you want, more specialized or focused pickup/guitar combinations are a real luxury, in that you will need a lot of different guitars to do all the things you might want.  I have tried to strike a bit of a middle ground by having a few guitars that cover different spectrums of sound.  I don't have anything too vintage sounding but I have one that covers grindcore, death metal, and funeral doom in C#-B tunings (A-Pig set), another that covers the rest of metal and most rock in E-D tuning range, and I'm in the process of setting up at least one other that covers hardcore, punk, and crossover styles.  For the latter I have an A-Bomb and I am looking at soon ordering either a Supermassive or Stockholm.
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Re: Need a HSH recommendation
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2013, 04:43:23 AM »
I have also found the following book useful in getting my head around how different elements in a guitar interact:

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Guitar-Tone-Mitch-Gallagher/9781435456150

Coincidentally, I have that book.  I haven't read it in it's entirety yet, mostly perused.  But I'll take another look at it.  I'm asking for recommendations here mostly because BKPs are scarce and fairly expensive here in the US.  I have heard really great things and BKP has a great selection.  And they're descriptions are actually useful.  Other boutique pup makers use very generic terms in their description and they all read exactly the same.  I can't say I've actually heard any in person though.  I live in a pretty desolate area as far as boutique gear is concerned.  I don't have the luxury of trying lots of different gear and making an audibly informed decision.  So thank you for your input.  It is much appreciated. 

I'm not really looking for extreme versatility with this guitar or these pickups.  I do have other guitars specific to other genres and styles.  But I do want this to be a well rounded rock/metal guitar for the genres I mentioned (arguably less so about the classic rock).  As you said, I try to pay attention to gear used during demos and reviews in order to make an informed decision on what I purchase.  Which is why I mentioned the type of guitar materials and the specific genres  when I asked for suggestions.

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Re: Need a HSH recommendation
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2013, 05:18:02 AM »
I'm asking for recommendations here mostly because BKPs are scarce and fairly expensive here in the US.

Same here.  I bought mine with no more than clips to go on.  I live in Adelaide, Australia which is a quite isolated place and I am the only person I know with any BKPs although a couple of my friends who who have heard mine are looking to order.  But until you hear one it is a gamble.  Of the ones I have bought the Cold Sweat set is my favourite.

I have heard really great things and BKP has a great selection.  And they're descriptions are actually useful.

I totally agree.  The people here are also very helpful.  I wish I asked questions rather than just lurking before buying because I might have worked out that I was expecting too much from the Cold Sweat neck and A-Bomb combo in my SG.  It turned out to be a bit of a split personality guitar between the neck and the bridge and I'm much happier with the CS set.  When I bought the A-Pigs for my Explorer I asked quite a few questions first and also considered the Miracle Man and C-Pig.  Overall I had a much better idea of what I was getting with the A-Pigs.  I am in the process of rewiring that guitar though as it is all stock Epiphone except for the Orange Drop cap and I worked out that I really do prefer '50s style wiring.  I'm getting a custom harness with 500K CTS pots and a push-push blower switch on the bridge '50s style wired with Seymour Duncan Triple Shot switching pickup rings for series/parallel and coil split on each pickup.  It will be a very versatile guitar when finished. I think that would be overkill on my SG though.  I really did it because I'd like to be able to open up the bridge more sometimes and also have the option of a split or parallel on the neck for cleans sometimes due to the high output going into my very gainy amp.  With more moderate pickups this usually isn't a problem.

I'm not really looking for extreme versatility with this guitar or these pickups.  I do have other guitars specific to other genres and styles.  But I do want this to be a well rounded rock/metal guitar for the genres I mentioned (arguably less so about the classic rock).  As you said, I try to pay attention to gear used during demos and reviews in order to make an informed decision on what I purchase.  Which is why I mentioned the type of guitar materials and the specific genres  when I asked for suggestions.

If you want some rock as well as metal the other two to keep in mind besides the VHII and Holy Diver are the Rebel Yell and Cold Sweat sets.  The necks included in these sets are the real BKP shredder necks.  The RY bridge is a good alternative to the alnico NB and the CS bridge is a good alternative to the ceramic NB if you are worried that the NB pickups might be too 'aggressive' or '90s sounding.  These four sets have more of an '80s sound.
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