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Author Topic: Bridge and Neck Pickup for Carvin HH2 Holdsworth Headless Signature (Chambered)  (Read 5095 times)

Lyngwieni

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Hello all,

I was hoping you could please give me your advice on the following.

TL;DR: I have a Carvin HH2 Holdworth (headless and chambered) guitar coming in. I want a versatile pickup that can do metal very well but is not going to be too undefined and flubby coupled with the chambered body. 

It comes stock with the Carvin HH pickups which I am sure are amazing. He gets some killer lead tones. I'm not knocking those pickups and I will certainly play them a lot before I yank them out. But I'm pretty sure they will not suit my style. Thing is, I recently acquired a guitar with an Aftermath in the bridge and was able to confirm first hand that BKPs are indeed worth the price and effort. So now I'm planning a pickup swap (for a guitar I haven't played yet :D) and I would like your help.

I enjoy playing blues, fusion, clean jazz, backing tracks, all sorts of stuff, but my main thing is METAL! This will be my main go-to guitar and I will be working with it to practice my chops and to write my metal oriented tracks. I value versatility a lot, but it has to do metal well. I will have the coil-split option but I'm not gunning for a single coil sound. I have a Fender YJM and [flame suit on] in my personal opinion nothing touches the tone or feel of that guitar. Not looking to replace, rather looking to complement.

I loved the Aftermath to play Children of Bodom, Necrophagist, Symphony X, etc. For the latter it achieved this really nasally saggy tone that was clear and thick and it was great. I could nail Michael Romeo's single string thick riffage exactly, sans the killer chops. However, I am a believer that you can get killer metal tones with lower output pickups, and that the key is clarity and the right EQ fit with your woods/guitar (duh!).

As I (slowly) improve as a player no matter how heavy the song I find myself dialing back the gain and getting more of the aggression from my right hand. Plus, BKP pickups to me seem actually lower output than other manufacturers. For the bridge I want something that palm mutes well and for my own songs that I am writing I want something with a wide and darker sound. Definitely not ice picky or too dry. For the neck I love being able to roll back the volume and get a semi-breakup sound and I absolutely love darker, smokey jazz clean tones for plucking chords and simple leads.

Don't ask me why but I've really been leaning towards getting an Abraxas covered calibrated set. I haven't heard much about these pickups but I just get the impression that they are a good fit for me. I read one guy who said that it crushes for down tuned metal (nice!) and I also saw a youtube video of an absolutely killer player coaxing some super sweet vintagey but throaty blues/country tones from an LP through a Dumble (but honestly that guy would sound amazing with a couple of rubber bands stretched across a cereal box with an acoustic hole).

FYI, I will mostly tune to E, *maybe* the occasional drop-D.

My only concern is that the HH2 is a chambered guitar and that is where I really need your help. Maybe this guitar needs a trebly pickup? I just really don't know.

Just FYI, I used to own a EBMM JPX7 that played amazing and is also chambered. Ultimately I felt that I was always dialing back the bass all the time no matter what amp model I was using on my Axe Fx II and that the low B was way too flubbey and undefined. Overall it turned me off from chambered bodies until like an idiot I fell for another chambered guitar (the Carvin HH2).

So, anyways, if I wanna write metal songs but enjoy vintage-y throaty gutsy tones as well for fun, should I go Abraxas?
Will the chambered body work against me and make the sound too bass-y and undefined?

Misha posted a killer metal tone sample with his Carvin HH2 with the stock pickups, but thats not really the tone I'm going for, I'm a bit more old school about my metal tones. Love djent, just don't wanna play it.

I haven't read anything about how the Abraxas sound when the single coil option is engaged!! What do they sound like? This is really important for me. For example, my Dimarzio Dactivator 7 was  a really nice more trebly high output bridge pickup but the single coil sound kind of sucked in my opinion.

Santana has a nice tone but it is definitely not what I am after.

What do you guys think I should get? Am I overlooking another pickup from BKP or another manufacturer altogether? Would love to hear your input.

Lastly, sorry for the verbose post, but these things are inevitably subjective and I see no other way to communicate what I'm after. If I had the ability to summarize it and communicate it with a graph or equation I definitely would.... thanks in advance for your patience and help!


JimmyMoorby

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If you could do without 'proper' blues tones and maybe 'proper' country tones I think an alnico black hawk set would do very nicely.  The bridge is ideally suited to huge metal tones and fusion but from what ive heard the neck is a lot more versatile although I have no experience of the neck pickup.  Of course alexi laiho and michael romeo use/d emg's and Maybe Mohammed from necrophagist does to I dunno but theyre definitely suited to those 3 bands mega well.  I think this pickup would stamp its authority on just about any guitar unlike many others.

I did a review of the alnico black hawk bridge -
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=30627

Do you use the Fender YJM with his signature pickups? God I love those.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2013, 04:07:13 PM by JimmyMoorby »

Lyngwieni

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If you could do without 'proper' blues tones and maybe 'proper' country tones I think an alnico black hawk set would do very nicely.  The bridge is ideally suited to huge metal tones and fusion but from what ive heard the neck is a lot more versatile although I have no experience of the neck pickup.  Of course alexi laiho and michael romeo use/d emg's and Maybe Mohammed from necrophagist does to I dunno but theyre definitely suited to those 3 bands mega well.  I think this pickup would stamp its authority on just about any guitar unlike many others.

I did a review of the alnico black hawk bridge -
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=30627

Do you use the Fender YJM with his signature pickups? God I love those.

fantastic review you have there! thanks for pointing me in that direction. I listened to the samples and wasn't too sure.. did some comparisons... then your review opened my ear a bit... listened again and heard it with a bit more clarity... I think it is not for me. Mostly I don't want to give up the proper country/blues tones so I would lean more Abraxas.

I do have his old Dimarzio signature pickup and every single time I plug them in I take a second to soak in how awesome they sound. Has never happened to me with any other pickup/guitar combo. They're clear, they're smooth, but they have this grolw in the bass that is really 3D.. really hard for me to describe... and when I pretend I can do Yngwie I play the lead in Overture 1838 and the lead tone they produce just gives me chills.. even when I hack at it!!

BTW, very OT, I'm this close to buying another yngwie fender just so I can throw some trilogy suites in.. I feel like they would give me a non-Yngwie but still amazing tone... i know it sounds dumb .. like buying a second car just to test out wheels.. but what if you love the car?

leaning strongly abraxas right now..

Lyngwieni

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no abraxas in chambered body(?) bump

Slartibartfarst42

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You're right that it's an under-represented pickup here but all of those who have tried it, seem to have loved it. HTH Amps has historically been the main exponent of the Abraxas and he can certainly get some very heavy and convincing Metal tones out of it. You seem to want a good range of tones and that would certainly point towards the Abraxas. The other option that leaps to my mind is the Crawler. People talk about it being Blues Rock and Classic Rock but I can get some really excellent Metal tones out of mine. It's so versatile, it's rapidly become my go-to pickup and it splits better than any other humbucker I've tried. The Abraxas seems to be a bit more mellow and a bit brighter than the Crawler but I think both of those would serve you very well indeed.
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Neck - Emerald; Cold Sweat; Crawler; Holydiver; Sinner; Trilogy Suite

Lyngwieni

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Awesome recommendation (based on sound samples and reading further). Much appreciated, man.

I have Emerald, Crawler, Black Dog and Abraxas on my radar.

I'm starting to realize the obvious. That unless I find some other dude with the same guitar/amp setup and the same sound in his head (LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT  :lol:) that I'm not gonna get some easy answer. I don't think my favorite artist got their sound from some other person saying ''get this''. I'm going to have to experiment like the rest of us. So I'll just have to bite the bullet and the truth is that with these pickups experimenting will not only be fun but I'm sure any of them will sound awesome. I'll try to post a sound sample when I do. Thanks all.

Kiichi

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I think you just realized a very important lesson in the best way you can come about doing that. Most people only reach that insight after quite a bit of disappointment. So congrats to you =)
BKPs in use: 10th set / RY set / Holy Diver b, Emerald n / Crawler bridge, Slowhand mid MQ neck/ Manhattan n
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Lyngwieni

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thanks :) excited about the discovery moving forward.

Slartibartfarst42

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We're all on a musical journey and it's one that is constantly evolving with experience and changing tastes. When I first came to BKP I wanted 'bright', 'tight' and 'Metal' so I never really looked beyond ceramic options. I still like the Cold Sweat and Miracle Man I owned but I've since discovered a whole world in alnico magnets and I find that my fixation with 'tight' has gone completely. Now I seem to prefer pickups that are a bit darker, fat and very articulate rather than tight. I can't imagine ever owning a pickup that is tighter or brighter than my Holydiver now and after years of avoiding the Crawler, I now can't imagine a better pickup. It's not a cheap journey, but it is a lot of fun.
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Neck - Emerald; Cold Sweat; Crawler; Holydiver; Sinner; Trilogy Suite

Lyngwieni

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Very well put.... but.... damn... now Holydiver is on the list... you had mentioned the journey wasn't cheap....*sigh* hah.. :lol:

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i've been using bare knuckle for about 2 months now and spent over $1000. its a rough journey but worth it
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Lyngwieni

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hahah my friend, your avatar face says it all :)

I have to stop listening to sound samples and reading reviews and just get a damn set already.. my journey is becoming more and more expensive in expectation and it hasn't even started...

This will be cheaper than my sex change journey.. and also more reversible.  :shock:

Slartibartfarst42

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It's interesting that all of the pickups on your radar (Emerald, Black Dog, Crawler, Abraxas and Holydiver) are either ones I've owned or are interested in getting. The Emerald bridge was too bright for me but the neck is a peach. I love the Holydiver for Metal and there's not much the Crawler doesn't do well. I've always fancied an Abraxas and I'm becoming increasingly interested in a Black Dog.
BKP owned:

Bridge - Emerald; Cold Sweat; Crawler; A-Bomb; Holydiver; Miracle Man; Sinner; Trilogy Suite

Neck - Emerald; Cold Sweat; Crawler; Holydiver; Sinner; Trilogy Suite

Lyngwieni

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The thing is I've sort of had a similar evolution. I'm all for all-out metal pickups with tons of gain (particularly if they are as clear as BKPs are) but I lower the gain more and more even though the music doesn't get any less heavy and I'm starting to appreciate the value and that 3-D quality that less gains seem to offer me.