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Bridge humbucker selection
« on: November 01, 2013, 01:25:31 PM »
Hey guys, looking for some help and advice here.

I have a Gibson Les Paul Studio which I deploy in drop c tuning, and play post-hardcore/alternative rock, so lots of chugging, power chords on the bottom 3 strings and big guitars!

Looking to upgrade my stock bridge humbucker, and i have been looking at Nailbomb and the Aftermath in particular.

I want aggressive mids and that low end that will shake the floor, and the tightness of the chugs locking in with the kick drum.

I'm also hoping to get a Peavey 6505+ soon which will help.

The kinda bands that are similar to what I play and for reference are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXSBvgOl0iM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Z7kUBJ2hY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJHlnrRqUg0

Which pickup do i go for?

Any recommendations appreciated!!
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Re: Bridge humbucker selction
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2013, 01:56:55 PM »
Regarding mids and fat and chunky chuggs I'd say either Alnico Nailbomb, Painkiller, Alnico Warpig.
If you want your chuggs to remain fat but with a little bit less mid emphasis the Miracle Man or the C-Bomb would do the job as well.

Just my first thoughts, I'm sure someone else will chime in soon :)

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Re: Bridge humbucker selction
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2013, 02:16:43 PM »
Thanks for the reply,

Been talking to a mate and he recommended the Aftermath, he uses a Nailbomb though cos they're more metal than us.

Also the BK guys recommended an Aftermath too, what's the difference between an Alnico and Ceramic? And what one should i go for?

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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2013, 04:58:43 PM »
the Aftermath bridge is ceramic only. The neck is alnico only.

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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2013, 05:30:10 PM »
Oh ok cool, you can get open and closed humbucker designs though? Closed ones have a higher output apparently but open has more clarity.

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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2013, 01:08:22 AM »
Alnico Blackhawk or alnico Nailbomb.

I hope your band doesn't use that horrid vocal effect used on that first clip!  The guitar on the second clip might be closer to an Aftermath.  I would think a Blackhawk would cover the middle ground between an A-bomb and an Aftermath.  I don't think a Warpig would be a good choice for these styles, or at least not the alnico version (which I have, and sounds very Sabbathy in C# standard).

As far as I know all humbuckers are available closed or open except the Blackhawks, which are only open due to their 'blade' pole piece design
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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2013, 01:29:37 AM »
Definitely the black hawk for me. It will nail those brutal but polished modern metal tones.

It will make your nuts shake with massive bottom end and its very very tight.

I'd get the ceramic magnet to be safe but the alnico might work well too I just get nervous around low tunings not really my thing these days.

I dropped tuned one of my guitars with an alnico nailbomb in the other day to play some mastodon riffs like blood and thunder/the czar and I proper didnt like it.......might just be me though.

For this application I wouldnt even consider the nailbomb definitely black hawk, aftermath or even the juggernaught or maybe even the painkiller.

If I had to play in that low thing id definitely go for a painkiller but I have different tastes I guess I really wouldnt play that kinda stuff but can appreciate the tone of the riffs.
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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2013, 02:28:56 PM »
Alnico Blackhawk or alnico Nailbomb.

I hope your band doesn't use that horrid vocal effect used on that first clip!  The guitar on the second clip might be closer to an Aftermath.  I would think a Blackhawk would cover the middle ground between an A-bomb and an Aftermath.  I don't think a Warpig would be a good choice for these styles, or at least not the alnico version (which I have, and sounds very Sabbathy in C# standard).

As far as I know all humbuckers are available closed or open except the Blackhawks, which are only open due to their 'blade' pole piece design

'horrid vocal effect'? What do you mean by this lol.

I know Lee Malia (Bring Me The Horizon's guitarist) uses a Warpig bridge pickup in his Les Paul standard but he tunes down to drop Bb and C standard, way lower than we do!

The Aftermath seems to be the popular choice but I can't help but be tempted by the Nailbomb, essentially we're not a metal band though.

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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2013, 02:31:40 PM »
Definitely the black hawk for me. It will nail those brutal but polished modern metal tones.

It will make your nuts shake with massive bottom end and its very very tight.

I'd get the ceramic magnet to be safe but the alnico might work well too I just get nervous around low tunings not really my thing these days.

I dropped tuned one of my guitars with an alnico nailbomb in the other day to play some mastodon riffs like blood and thunder/the czar and I proper didnt like it.......might just be me though.

For this application I wouldnt even consider the nailbomb definitely black hawk, aftermath or even the juggernaught or maybe even the painkiller.

If I had to play in that low thing id definitely go for a painkiller but I have different tastes I guess I really wouldnt play that kinda stuff but can appreciate the tone of the riffs.

Not considered the Black hawk! As mentioned above I don't want a fizzy metal tone, more of a metalcore or post-hardcore brutal rhythm chugging sound. Something that'll make people go "phwooaarr!" Haha.

Most of my work involves 5th chords on the bottom 3 strings, chugging and squealies!

Ceramic i've read is the better one as its more punchy. But then an Aftermath only has ceramic anyway for a humbucker.

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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2013, 02:41:49 PM »
'horrid vocal effect'? What do you mean by this lol.

The pitch-shifting effect or 'auto-tune' - you can't hear it?  It's to make people who can't sing sound kind of like they can sing.  The only vocal effect that I hate more is the warbly vocoder robot vocal thing, which only Roger Troutman ever managed to make sound even remotely cool.  There's a good reason why people seem to prefer the instrumental version of the Periphery album ...

Anyway, you probably hate the vocals of the punk, thrash, and grindcore stuff I listen to!  One of my all-time favourite vocalists is Dean Jones from Extreme Noise Terror and Raw Noise, who basically bellows!  It's an honest bellow though, and he always combines it with cliched punk fist-pumping, so it fits. ;)

I think there's a good chance you will be happy with either Nailbomb option.  The alnico one is more middy, but a Les Paul has enough mahogany to tame that a bit, and it might give you that hardcore edge you seem to be looking for. The A-Bomb is the most hardcore sounding pickup in the BKP range I've heard, especially in an SG, and it retains something of that in a Les Paul but more toned-down and versatile.  Do you like Sepultura at all?  The A-Bomb has that kind of character, more or less pronounced depending on what you put it in.

There is a return policy with BKPs and if you live in the UK that is a realistic option.



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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2013, 02:46:37 PM »
This the ADTR link for the song "Dead and Buried?" Its all recording and production lol they can play live, honest!

What's an 'A-Bomb'? Is that a name of another pickup in the series?

I'm undecided between a Nailbomb or an Aftermath at the moment. I think the 3 youtube links i've posted gives you a good idea of the kinda sound i want. And i've detailed i plan to get an 6505+ head and use a LP studio in drop c!

We play more melodic sort of pop/punk/metalcore/post-hardcore whatever you want to call it. So i need my chords to sing out and the chugs to proper thunder out of the amp!

Sustain too on ringouts cos sometimes we finish songs on open string ringouts so i need it to scream!

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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2013, 03:18:04 PM »
Hm, I think one of the ceramic high ouput pickups would do better. Maybe the ceramic Nailbomb?
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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2013, 03:50:51 PM »
What's an 'A-Bomb'? Is that a name of another pickup in the series?

That's forum talk for 'alnico Nailbomb'.  C-Bomb is 'ceramic Nailbomb'

There's also A-Pig and C-Pig for the two Warpig bridges, and A-Hawk and C-Hawk for the two Black Hawk options.  The Black Hawk isn't mentioned as much on the board, but it could be a good option for you.

I tend to agree with Alex that the ceramic options are a safer bet.  You might like the alnico versions, but you might hate them too.  I found the low mids of the A-Bomb very difficult to dial out when I didn't want them for certain styles.  The C-Bomb will have enough of that character but be more versatile.
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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2013, 04:50:32 PM »
Definitely the black hawk for me. It will nail those brutal but polished modern metal tones.

It will make your nuts shake with massive bottom end and its very very tight.

I'd get the ceramic magnet to be safe but the alnico might work well too I just get nervous around low tunings not really my thing these days.

I dropped tuned one of my guitars with an alnico nailbomb in the other day to play some mastodon riffs like blood and thunder/the czar and I proper didnt like it.......might just be me though.

For this application I wouldnt even consider the nailbomb definitely black hawk, aftermath or even the juggernaught or maybe even the painkiller.

If I had to play in that low thing id definitely go for a painkiller but I have different tastes I guess I really wouldnt play that kinda stuff but can appreciate the tone of the riffs.

Not considered the Black hawk! As mentioned above I don't want a fizzy metal tone, more of a metalcore or post-hardcore brutal rhythm chugging sound. Something that'll make people go "phwooaarr!" Haha.

Most of my work involves 5th chords on the bottom 3 strings, chugging and squealies!

Ceramic i've read is the better one as its more punchy. But then an Aftermath only has ceramic anyway for a humbucker.

Well im still thinking a ceramic black hawk set would be ideal but between the aftermath and the nailbomb I really think the aftermath will be more your thing but if youre really set on a nailbomb get one but id stick to ceramic pickups for this.

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Re: Bridge humbucker selection
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2013, 05:22:11 PM »
What's an 'A-Bomb'? Is that a name of another pickup in the series?

That's forum talk for 'alnico Nailbomb'.  C-Bomb is 'ceramic Nailbomb'

There's also A-Pig and C-Pig for the two Warpig bridges, and A-Hawk and C-Hawk for the two Black Hawk options.  The Black Hawk isn't mentioned as much on the board, but it could be a good option for you.

I tend to agree with Alex that the ceramic options are a safer bet.  You might like the alnico versions, but you might hate them too.  I found the low mids of the A-Bomb very difficult to dial out when I didn't want them for certain styles.  The C-Bomb will have enough of that character but be more versatile.

Ah i see, i'm a newbie to all this forum terminology haha.

Warpig is too metally i'd suspect, i don't need a death metal tone, something with clarity.

Its either the Aftermath or Nailbomb i think, wish i could try a Blackhawk without installing it and then deciding i don't like it and sending it back, and all that hassle.