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Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« on: November 01, 2013, 01:27:28 PM »
So i'm taking a look at one of these next week, anyone else own one?

Do you use a noisegate if you play on the lead channel alot?

I have a boss NS-2 but i find it sucks tone, i have read the ISP Decimator is much better, for controlling feedback!

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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2013, 01:45:49 PM »
Don't own one, but played a few before. A noisegate is a must when you're using any of the 6505 series, as far as I know when you use the Noisegate going into the fx loop of the head it's supposed to reduce the overall hiss and noise the amp gives you (you won't be able to silence your pedals at the same though I think). The 6534+ head has an internal noisegate if memory serves me right. Agent Orange will surely chime in and give you his experience, he owns said head.

As far as Noisegates go yes the NS-2 colors your sound, but from my experience there are quite a lot people who like what it does to their tone (including me) and it's a cheap and safe solution (lots of the famous guitarists and bands use it as well). If you don't want any coloration go for the ISP Decimator. These seem to be more popular with all the modern metal guys (djent and all that stuff).

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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2013, 02:08:10 PM »
Cheers for the reply mate!

Yeah the only effect I have is an Ibanez Tubescreamer, which I kick on for more gain but I suspect with this 6505+ I won't need any extra overdrives!

Other than that I only use a Boss TU-2 tuner!

I have been reading where the noise gate would go and if its noise coming from the amp I want to silence it'd go via the fx loop. There's no noise coming from the guitar or any other pedals cos there aren't any. Is the reason why its in the FX loop cos it doesn't interfere with the amp's pre-amp stage? Or is there another reason?

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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2013, 02:28:25 PM »
The fx loop lies between the signal of your preamp (where you get your distortion) and your poweramp (which amplifies the signal) and is meant to be used for effects such as Delay, Reverb and Chorus. If you put those effects in front of the amp their signal (and thus the effect they deliver) will get distorted and often that's not wanted, so the fx loop lets you employ those pedals with the proper sound.

Best example I can give you is Josh Middletons rig rundown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nC_d9lwTG0

If you don't care to watch the whole video, around the 4 minute mark he shows the exact difference between straight in front of the amp and put into the fx loop.

If you use only a Tubescreamer and a Tuner (and the Noisegate you want to get) there's not much hassle with that stuff. The NS-2 has the option of the X-Pattern:

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gear-equipment/111082-peavey-6505-boss-ns-2-x-pattern.html

That's a thread that will answer your questions, it's exactly about the 6505 in combination with the Noise Suppressor.



Last advice I will give you is to use the Tubescreamer for your advantage. Most people (including myself) utilize it to tighten up the amp, use less gain from the head and boost the mids. Works like a charm. Typical pedal settings are gain on 0, level on half or full and tone on half or full. Experiment with different settings to find what suits you best.

Hope this helps, if you have any additional questions fire away

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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2013, 02:43:48 PM »
Yeah this is what i thought, cos there's no effects pedals causing the noise, well apart from the tubescreamer when i kick it on but that's only during when i'm playing.

I've heard of the X pattern, is that only if you're using an NS-2 in your board? Otherwise I'd just set up my amp and put my NS-2 (if i decide to use it instead of an ISP) on top of my amp with 2 cables going into send/return. I wouldn't need it on my board? If i got the ISP however where would that go?

The tubescreamer settings confuse me, the drive knob controls the gain doesn't it? And the level controls the volume? Or is it the other way round? I find myself having to turn both knobs down during the set cos it starts feedbacking. I usually run my gain on 5 and never any higher on my amp. If i get the 6505+ it'd be about the same setting, maybe 6.

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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2013, 04:24:34 PM »
Putting any pedal really is going to start making a lot of noise especially in front of a 6505.

You shouldn't be having noise if you have the NS-2 (and for the record both the NS-2 and ISP's suck tone anyone who says otherwise is just believing all the sevenstring.org hype)

Put both the pedals up front in the amp (the NS-2 first) and people use overdrives to make the high gain sound on their amps tighter, more articulate, and to get more clarity. Its not to use by itself and is not for more gain, the 6505 is already one of the highest gain amps ever created (you shouldn't be going past 4 on the gain knob really) you put the Tube Screamer type pedal in front of the amp with the level maxed (this gives it a nice clean boost) and the drive all the down, and the tone depends on the pedal/pickups/guitar/amp but for me usually around 1/2 a clock.


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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2013, 05:29:22 PM »
I'm not a big user of effects pedals in this band, the tubescreamer is the only one i have.

I have used the NS-2 before and i found with my current amp (Marshall JCM2000) it kills the sustain and doing squealies is really hard without a tubescreamer. I took the NS-2 out and it seemed to have improved, i have good cabling (Mogami) and power supply (T-rex Fuel Tank Junior) so its not that noisy.

This will change however with a 6505+, hopefully I can just use the clean/crunch and lead channel's via a footswitch and no need for any other overdrive pedals!

If the ISP is so expensive its got to be better than the NS-2 surely? Money talks!

Will try the settings on the TS9, with the gain on the head at 5.

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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2013, 06:29:36 PM »
I'm not a big user of effects pedals in this band, the tubescreamer is the only one i have.

I have used the NS-2 before and i found with my current amp (Marshall JCM2000) it kills the sustain and doing squealies is really hard without a tubescreamer. I took the NS-2 out and it seemed to have improved, i have good cabling (Mogami) and power supply (T-rex Fuel Tank Junior) so its not that noisy.

This will change however with a 6505+, hopefully I can just use the clean/crunch and lead channel's via a footswitch and no need for any other overdrive pedals!

If the ISP is so expensive its got to be better than the NS-2 surely? Money talks!

Will try the settings on the TS9, with the gain on the head at 5.
The ISP Decimator is only 30$ more than a NS-2, and they do the same thing really. You likely had the settings too high on the NS-2, MANY pro guitarists use the NS-2 (including my favorite band Suffocation, who use just the NS-2 and OD808/OD9 through Peavey amps, and their live sound is effin insane)


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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2013, 06:39:09 PM »
I've seen The Devil Wears Prada and Bullet for My Valentine's guitar rigs and I know they both use Peavey heads and an NS-2, but I've also seen an ISP in there before the amp as well.

I might be lucky and not need one if i keep the gain down but i have a feeling these tube amps are f**king loud and I'll need to put it back on the board haha

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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 08:37:42 PM »
Its not a matter of gain, there will always be excess noise on a high gain amplifier, the TS adds crazy noise on any setting, and a gate does alter the sound of the amp, it makes the notes stop faster when palm muting/chugging, which is pretty much essential for most "modern metal" and they also get rid of all the noise so when you are not playing there is no annoying screeching. I would rather use the NS-2 which people claim to "suck tone" than have a shitety flubby sounding 6505.

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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2013, 08:48:09 PM »
Would you put it in the front end of the amp in a pedalboard chain or in the FX loop?

I was thinking FX loop but cos i'm using a tubescreamer it'll generate noise in the front end as well, so i don't know where to put it.

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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2013, 11:10:18 PM »
if the gate is in the loop and is set up well you will have absolutely no noise when not playing as it effectively mutes anything that would normally make it to the poweramp.

Personally I dont use gates because i dont like the wau they butcher the tone. I have an amp that has a very low noise floor and practice good muting on stos etc.
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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2013, 01:51:29 AM »
Don't own one, but played a few before. A noisegate is a must when you're using any of the 6505 series, as far as I know when you use the Noisegate going into the fx loop of the head it's supposed to reduce the overall hiss and noise the amp gives you (you won't be able to silence your pedals at the same though I think). The 6534+ head has an internal noisegate if memory serves me right. Agent Orange will surely chime in and give you his experience, he owns said head.

I do indeed own a 6534+

I have A/B'ed it with a 5150 II, which is what the 6505+ was called before EVH pulled the pin on Peavey.  The 6534+ is 'tighter' sounding and has more mid-range cut (i.e., has stronger mids that 'cut' through the mix more).  The cleans are also cleaner.  The 6505+ might have slightly more bottom end, but the whole series has a little too much bottom end if anything.  I tame the bottom end of my 6534+ with a tube screamer (in my case a Maxon OD-9) and most people with the 5150/6505 series amps do the same thing.

I would say that the two amps are very similar in terms of how you operate them, just that the voicing is different due to the 6L6/EL34 difference and some revisions to the preamp in the 6534+ - and both work equally well, it's really just a matter of taste.  Both have the same EQ controls and the same footswitch.  This is the major difference between them and the 6505, which only has one EQ stack and you use the same settings for rhythm and lead 'channels'.  The 6505+ and 6534+ are true two-channel amps

I would like to explode the myth of an internal noise gate in the 6534+ once and for all.  There is no such thing. It is as noisy as a 6505+

The fizz comes from the preamp.

I would strongly recommend the ISP Decimator G-String II based on my experience of it.  You set it between 11.30 and 12.00

You need a noise suppressor after the preamp, in the loop. I place mine after the MXR 10-band EQ, which is another standard add-on for these amps, but before the flanger, chorus, and delay.  I set the delay up with a short time and use it instead of a reverb to thicken the sound a bit.  I've always been a bit of hater when it comes to reverb so I don't miss it.  If you were to get one I guess you could use a Hall of Fame.

The advantage of the ISP G-String is that it senses when your strings are vibrating and suppresses other noises without cutting off your guitar signal too much (unless you wind it up to 2 o'clock or higher, but then again some people deliberately use that effect).  The regular model of the Decimator does not have this feature.  Regardless of which Decimator you buy (the G-String costs more) place it in the loop.  EQs make a bit of noise so put it after that.

My signal chain is as follows:

Guitar -> Dimebag wah -> Polytune tuner -> G-String guitar in/out -> MXR CAE Boost -> Maxon OD-9 -> EVH phaser -> compressor -> 6534+ preamp -> EQ -> G-String Dec in/out -> EVH flanger -> Wylde chorus -> carbon copy delay -> 6534+ power amp -> Orange PPC412 cabinet (V30s)

The cabinet is getting better as the V30s break in, but I'm still in two minds about the V30s.  I might have been better off going for something with Eminence V12s in it, but I think it will be fine once completely broken in

With the signal path you may see pedals there that you don't want to use or don't have (I could do without the compressor for sure) but the order works well.

A have a box with three distortion pedals in it - an EHX Metal Muff, a Mooer Black Secret, and an MXR script reissue Distortion + - and there they stay, off my board.  I find them useless with this series of amps.  If you want more gain that you are getting from your tube screamer, put a boost in front of it like I have.  Usually the gain on the TS is set at zero, with the level dimed.  I keep my tone right down, others have it at 12 o'clock.

The boost allows you to set up one level of gain for most of your playing, and then kick in higher gain when you want it for a solo or something.  I set up the rhythm channel for clean and/or 'overdriven' rock sounds with either the 'crunch' or tube screamer on.  For example if you are playing one of those noisy hammer-on leads that you get on old Celtic Frost records or an early Carcass or Massacre type dive bomb then you might want to kick in the boost

My friend with the 5150 II uses no pedals at all!!  He goes for a very scooped sound though.  He seems to dime everything except the mids, which he set around 1 on the dial.  Works for him. He has the standard Peavey cabinet too.  They aren't that worried about that, and I don't think you can hear the fizz over the rest of the band.  The fizz is really only annoying when practicing at home by yourself or playing in a studio, and when they go to the studio the engineer uses various tricks to cut it out.

The pedals I'd suggest getting are a tube screamer, a decimator, a delay, and a 10-band EQ. These seem to be the ones that most people feel they use all the time.  The others are only for fancy pants stuff or people who suffer from GAS, like myself (and probably most on this forum).  That said, when I occasionally play clean I do like experimenting with the MXR Custom Comp and Black Label Chorus, which can give you some really nice sounds on clean, and even clean up your signal a little in terms of the compressor.  If you don't play cleans I wouldn't worry about those.  By 'fancy pants stuff' I mainly mean the two EVH pedals (phaser and flanger), although there are some simple songs (such as some of The Exploited songs) which actually use such effects to spice up otherwise simple and repetitive riffs.


I should add in response to Effigy's comment above that my Maxon OD-9 does not make the kind of noise that he seems to be suggesting the Ibanez TS-9 makes.  I find the amount of noise to be the same regardless of whether the OD-9 is engaged or not.  I believe though that some small changes to the circuitry and switching have been made to the OD-9 since the '80s (when they were sold as Ibanez TS-9s).

The noise seems to come from the gain stages in the preamp.

I would recommend though placing the tuner before the G-String if you get one.  With it afterwards I was still getting odd 'wash' noises through the amp when I tuned.  I moved it around and the sound disappeared.
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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2013, 01:48:37 PM »

The noise seems to come from the gain stages in the preamp.


The noise comes from a really poor pcb layout more than anything. But yes the gain stages do create noise. This is standard in any amp.
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Re: Anyone own a Peavey 6505+?
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2013, 02:14:52 PM »
My point was more that the noise reduction needs to be after the preamp to be effective. I'm not sure exactly what causes it in the preamp, but it is much more noticeable on the lead channel, and on the rhythm channel if the crunch is engaged and/or the preamp gain wound up.
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